If a story, game, show, or movie contains vampires, I am immediately bored and will suspect the creator of being uncreative. Vampires are not cool. They have never been cool. The are the most overdone “monsters” in any form of media. And they are almost always the same; people with the mannerisms from 1800’s England or France and the dress sense of a 2005 Hot Topic. Why not ancient Babylon? Why not South American vampires? Why are their personalities always the fucking same? Why are they always so fucking formal? Why always the 1800’s; this one bugs me the most because the media often claims that Vampires are thousands of years old, so supposedly they kept up with the times until the 1800’s and then just stopped. It’s because writers who use them are lazy and uncreative.
“Oh it’s a metaphor for the duality of man and how there are secretly monsters living among-” shut the fuck up. Use a different metaphor if it’s that important to your story. But it never is. That’s never important to the story because they are always just so fucking lame. Always the same powers. Always the same weaknesses. They have been done to hell and back.
Use. A different. Monster.
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I prefer vampires over zombies.
Zombies are really one-trick ponies. Their stories are redundant whereas with vampires, you could go anywhere with them.
There are so many vampire stories that don’t suffer from these problems. It just means you are unfamiliar with the genre.
Someone hasn’t watched What We Do In The Shadows and it shows
Or Blade…
Which?
Trick question. They were both excellent.
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All y’all suggesting various vampire stories that won’t annoy OP because they address the listed critisms are wasting your time. OP is already pre-annoyed by the whole concept and won’t enjoy those suggestions whether they fall within the critique or not. The only exception might be What We Do In The Shadows, because it lampoons vampire fiction so well, including the things OP points out. For anyone giving that a try, start with the original movie before watching the show.
Thank you for your understanding. And yes, I enjoyed WWDITS for exactly those reasons. It is a parody of vampires, and parodies are often cathartic for those who hate the thing being parodied because it highlights all the absurd tropes that may have become grating.
Because the ones you’re thinking of, mostly older examples, are based around Bram Stoker’s novel or in the Hammer Horror vein.
There are, however, many more examples than I can think of which aren’t like that at all. 30 days of night, the satanic rites of dracula, from dusk til dawn, Byzantium, blade, near dark, night watch, day watch, blood red sky, daybreakers, the last voyage of the demeter, cronos, Dracula untold.
Whether you like it or not, vampires are sexy, scary, mysterious, and a quality monster.
If we’re going to stop something, I’d like less of the done-to-death superhero movies. Now they’re trite.
Oh they’re different? Do they still have pointed teeth and go “Hiss!”? Hmm, not very different then, are they?
You just sunk your whole argument. You had a potential point in your original post because you were talking about character traits and backstory inconsistencies, but now you’re talking about fundamental biology. It’s like saying “does a human character still have hair, feed young with milk, and have a 4-chambered heart? Hmm, not very different than any other human character now are they.”
What if every time you saw a regular human in a conflict in media, they did a New Zealand haka? At a certain point wouldn’t you be like, “why is that the default? What purpose does that serve?”
And you are completely missing the point. The argument isn’t “why do all vampires act the same?” it’s “Why use vampires at all?”. They are a LAME monster. They are overdone. Everyone in this thread giving suggestions “oh but in THIS media they are slightly diff-” I DONT CARE! THEY ARE STILL VAMPIRES! THE LAMEST, MOST OVERDONE MONSTERS IN ALL OF MEDIA!
I don’t CARE if they are slightly different because, to me, the concept as a whole is tired and overplayed. Do they have sharp teeth? Do they go “Hiss!” while showing their sharp teeth? Yes? Ok then what you have there is a type of vampire!
Fuck! Are you kidding? Do you really not get that? It’s like if you say you don’t like pizza and then get flooded with people going “Oh but have you tried THIS topping, or THIS style?” and then they get upset and make asinine claims like “You just sunk your whole argument” when you point out that all of that is fucking moot because all of their examples ARE STILL FUCKING PIZZA!
You’re the one who complained about specific aspects of vampire media instead of vampires in general.
To use your pizza comparison, it’s like saying you don’t like pizza because it has pepperoni on, then screaming that everything about pizza is the problem when someone suggests you have a non-pepperoni pizza. You don’t care about the settings, or the mannerisms, or the metaphors, you just hate vampires.Well, if someone gave you a stale tortilla smothered in ketchup and called it pizza, sure, you’d hate pizza.
My favorite vampire depictions are:
When they straddle the line between sex and violence, representing the dark and frightening Freudian id or Jungian shadow of the human experience. The beast that wants to fuck and kill, the wolf in sheep’s clothing, with only the thin veneer of fancy clothes and quick wit between humanity and depravity.
Or, when the vampire is a metaphor for the exploitative, imperialistic, capitalistic power structures that dominate everyone one of our lives. The elite few who seem to be a different species, but somehow have the world on puppet strings. Those mysterious figures who lurk in the halls of power, charming us and manipulating us and herding us like cattle, ready to be consumed.
Any trope can become a cliche, like you point out, but they become tropes for a reason. I won’t fight you for your preferences and opinions, but be careful of broad statements.
That means you could maybe invent some kind of vampire that you like. Without the mentioned traits that bug you.
Maybe just a pale dude that sleeps alot idk…
That’s, like, your opinion, man…
A vampire is still a vampire at the core. They can be different in all other ways. Same with literally anything.
Why don’t you just get rid of monsters, if they’re all just scary things that aren’t human? They’re all the same.
You both moved the goalposts and made a weaker point.
By that definition pretty much all monsters and even regular baddies are vampires as opening your mouth to show teeth and going “GAAAARRHHHGGGSSS” or smth is pretty universal.
Is Anaconda a vampire? Godzilla? Hulk? Alien?
The ones in Near Dark are more like junkies than barely have their shit together. Any hissing comes from the noises of the semi truck the protagonist used to run down one of them.
Seems like you’re moving the goal post with this comment (from how they act/are used to their definition), which isn’t great conversation or rhetoric. On the other hand, I get where you’re coming from. I felt the same way about zombies back when everybody had their zombie apocalypse plan, discussed fast vs slow zombies, and there were so many movies, TV shows, games, etc. It all felt so lazy.
What do you think other people get out of it? A friend of mine had a view on zombies that was basically: you get to shoot people and not feel bad about it. You get to be clever without ever having your plan tested. You get to feel better than everybody else because surely you’d rise to the occasion unlike those millions of idiots that got bitten.
So what do you think others get out of vampires? Why’s it a turn off for you? What could you change to make them palatable to you? I’m guessing it goes a little deeper than just originality and it might be an interesting way to learn more about yourself, your values, and how that relates to the world beyond the screen.
That’s my cat!
Someone didn’t see Blade movies, I guess
I did. Still features vampires. Still lame.
It also features - oh damn - humans. So boring and lame, dude
Yea, featuring humans is definitely exactly the same as featuring an overused supernatural creature that doesn’t exist in real life. You are so smart!
They always communicate with words and always breathe air. That’s overused supernatural creature
What We Do in the Shadows? Not cool per se, but funny.
I’d go a step farther and say it’s time to come up with an entirely new type of monster.
I don’t mean “villain” like a Candyman, or a Jeeper’s Creepers, or a Terrifier, or something like that. People make up new ones of those all the time.
I mean an entire new class of monster. Vampires, Werewolves, Zombies, etc… Where are the classes of monsters that represent our modern sensibilities?
SCP writers are constantly inventing new monsters.
Doctor Who’s Cybermen do it for me. People reduced to nameless, faceless automatons, suffering internally while compelled by their situation to do the same to others.
:c rip rory
Billionaires
Upvoted for truly an unpopular opinion.
Why not South American vampires?
Oh! Masks of Nyarlethotep features Kharisiri, Peruvian vampires that harvest fat from their victims. In the story they’re servants of El Padre de los Gusanos (The Father of Worms) and are feeding fat from their victims to their god under his pyramid tomb. They’re actually what remains of the Conquistadors that desecrated the tomb and broke the seal, releasing the god into our world.
So, yeah, there’s so much more to vampires than the same old regurgitated blood suckers they keep forcing down our throats.
That sounds like a Pishtaco from Andean folklore.
Totally off the point of the thread but I only know about pishtacos because I just read a couple books by Richard K. Morgan (the Altered Carbon guy), Thirteen and Thin Air, which are sci-fi with a bunch of Andean culture and folklore which I had never run across before. The reason for all the Andean stuff is the first space elevator was built down there (needs to be at the equator) and because of this many of the workers, including Mars colonists without special skills, are from the Altiplano. So on Mars, even hundreds of years later, that culture is very prevalent, including having Quechua as a major language. And because of all the money flowing through the region local Quechua speaking organized crime families get very powerful. Lots of fun (made-up, I assume) local expressions in the books like “Pachamama’s tits!” and “Fucked by Supay’s cock”.
Counterpoint:
Sinners
Witcher 3, Blood and Wine
Also Blindsight
Came here to say this. Completely orthogonal to the vampire troops OP mentions.
Witcher 3 is allowed. The context works.
I’m not sure I follow. Why does Sinners not work. They’re vampires in semi-rural US that were created by the European ones. It’s an example of os something OP said they never see.
No idea what sinners is, so I couldnt include it. But the Witcher universe? That’s everything that goes bump in the night.
No, the actual vampire the story was about was an Irish fuck. The others were molded after that classic image.
The only interesting part of Sinners (in the context of OPs post) were Native Americans hunting it.
OP is a vampire ;)
I disagree.
Vampire is an interesting monster but very popular. Which makes it in a specific fiction easily classic and boring or badly written.There is examples of well written classic vampire story. The most famous being Dracula from Bram Stocker which is not only interesting as the first of a kind but hold as a very good story.
There is examples of interesting twist on the classic vampire which are nice as any good remake is. For example, the energy vampires in What We Do in the Shadows.That being said, you don’t need to enjoy any of it. Taste are subjective.
Erm. From dusk till dawn? Blade? Underworld?
Laaaaame
You’re free to dislike them, but you everything you complained about does NOT apply to those.
Do they contain vampires? Oh, they do? Hmm, sounds like my main, original complaint is still valid.
I can’t remember who said this, but the quote that vampires are the aristocracy of the undead while zombies are the working class always stuck with me.
