Obama pulled it off because Iran had significant geopolitical leverage and he wasn’t dumb enough to confront them with direct escalatory military action (he still used Stuxnet) like Trump was.
He had no issues carpet bombing Afghanistan because they didn’t have any military power that could oppose the USA.
Even for Trump, the real deviation from the standard Uncle Sam treatment was this year’s crapshow. Last year’s operation midnight hammer could have happened under any president for the past 3 decades and no one would’ve blinked an eye.
Also, “everyone” is conveniently ignoring that invading and bombing iran has been a bipartisan wet dream since the islamic revolution took place. I assume almost every american politician is probably gooning every day to the images of burned bodies tbh
Did Obama conduct carpet bombing? A quick google search indicates it was mostly conducted in the early stages straight after 9/11 under Bush
All because a pedophile doesn’t like us talking about how gross and disgusting he is, and that he’s a rapist and pedophile.
All these people died for that.
They had every chance to call it on a blatant idiot.
Suckers and losers in the service.
What? Soft power? Negotiation? Breaking bread with our (fr)enemies? Nah, we don’t do that here. Besides, how else are people going to know that we’re big, tough, and strong? /s
“Everyone has a plan until they’re punched in the face.”
Corollary: Nobody has a plan when punching people in the face doesn’t work.
we used to be so bug and strong we didn’t have to punch people in the face dammit
also i’m keeping it
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Homie wants to talk cool while we all watched him launch missiles at school busses. Let’s not act like US Presidents haven’t been war criminals for over a decade.
Since I was ten or so every president has crossed that line.
Were you born in 1850?
You got me. I’m a vampire. I feed on snark though.
Damn you must be extremely obese having a Lemmy account.
You should know that you are currently orbiting me.
Really coming for Lincoln, eh?
Yeah didn’t vote for this guy after the first term.
He was a sham.
We could do better, but the democrats have done nothing but far, far… Far, far, far… Far, far worse.
I wonder if everyone who calls Obama a war criminal also calls bin Laden a freedom fighter.
Man your mind is going to be absolutely blown when you learn two people can simultaneously be bad.
Or even that individuals can do good and bad things.
No. Obama is war criminal and Ben Laden is a terrorist
The punctuation you omitted makes this an accurate statement.
I wonder if those Syrian children would have lead kind lives had they been given the chance to live them
Or libya
Or Iraq
So you agree. You think bin Laden was a freedom fighter.
Please follow me around and make art out of all my comments.
You called it art 🥰
It is fun to make memes this way. Hmm…
it really is. by hand is the best. i’m just grumpy you beat me to it.
We can show the world how to settle differences on the internet 🎶
Did Obama use military Ops that killed innocent people? Yes.
Is Obama still infinitely better as a president and human versus the Cheeto Chimp? Yes.
Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia.
90% civilian casualties from his drone strikes.
A record 3.8 million deportations and a lot more.You can debate who is the worse war criminal and mass-murderer, probably him.
‘better’ is not the right word.Obama is certainly a better human and leader vs Cheeto Chimp. That’s not up for debate.
Yup the blue dog shit is clearly better than the red cat shit.
It is honestly pretty funny, because Obama’s Iran deal was too complicated a topic for the average American to understand or form an independent opinion on, so Trump came in and criticized it, painting it in oversimplified terms, and it worked because Americans are not an intellectual people (to put it mildly) and also didn’t care.
Then he does this huge unforced error, sends gas prices skyrocketing, suddenly Americans actually start caring while Trump’s messaging is completely unfocused and all over the place, and the old deal, previously a nuanced compromise, suddenly looks fantastic in comparison.
Yeah, Obama sucks, but you gotta appreciate the schadenfreude and karma of watching the right humiliate themselves and collapse their own narrative entirely by their own actions.
Your first paragraph makes the assumption that the American people are/were on board with what is happening with Iran. Trump never attempted to get the population to support his actions. It’s deeply unpopular with his base and liberals alike.
With project 2025 they seized all levers of control. Checks and balances, if they ever existed, are all but gone. Seems the courts are the only thing left that produce any pushback and that is an intentionally slow process vs the move fast and break things actions of Trump.
He doesn’t care about his approval ratings, and congress isn’t doing their job. Huge amounts of aipac money are being pumped into all levels of government. Disinformation campaigns from 24/7 news stations keep the normies divided. Bot farms are further manipulating the online narrative using ai.
The whole thing is fucked, but it’s a little more nuanced than the general population not understanding (or frankly wanting to understand) the JCPOA.
Our government has basically been overthrown, and other than protests or violence, there is nothing we can do to stop it until November. We don’t have a viable mechanism to eject Trump in the meantime, and he’s going to continue stacking the deck in his favor with gerrymandering and other sketchy shit until then.
Turns out money and power runs things, and that doesn’t produce the best outcomes.
The whole thing is fucked, but it’s a little more nuanced than the general population not understanding (or frankly wanting to understand) the JCPOA.
But I’m not talking about “the whole thing,” I’m talking about this specific thing.
So specifically, how would being aware of the intricacies of the JCPOA change anything?
If people were more aware of the intricacies of the JCPOA, they probably wouldn’t have accepted Trump’s narrative regarding it.
I’m not really sure what you’re asking tbh. Change what? I don’t recall saying that it would’ve changed anything, only that it was true.
brother, we’re so beyond this type of posting. congratulations: you’ve found a crumb of smugness amongst the wreckage of our present lives.
congratulations: you’ve found a crumb of smugness amongst the wreckage of our present lives.
Thank you. Without crumbs I’d starve.
I’m not sure when we moved beyond being able to make fun of reactionaries for creating problems for themselves, Wily Coyote style, but I’m not sure we should’ve left.
We absolutely should continue to mock and ridicule everything these fascist fucks do. I don’t know what that guy is smoking but mockery and ridicule are one of the most effective rhetorical tactics when it comes to the chronically reality deprived.
I think some people see it as “making light” of the topic, and sure, it’s important to not let it distract from reality. But we can walk and chew discordant gum at the same time.
Yeah, they don’t really mind being seen as evil or cruel, they relish it and brag about it. They are, of course, evil and cruel, but they’re also ignorant and shortsighted. If you can’t laugh at them sawing off the branch they’re sitting on, while jerking off about how butthurt the libs will be that they totally owned that tree, I just don’t know what to tell you.
fuck u, we have dozens of intellectuals! DOZEENNNS!!!
It’s a reference:
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Yes, that’s because Obama had a fucking healthy brain and body.
Trump is demented and dying in front of us.
Great job, Republicans. You owned your own country and deteriorated the world (which you and everyone you love live in) in order to own the libs.
Fucking goddamn idiotic numbskulled dumbasses. Every fucking one of them. Absolutely braindead, worm-brained, self-destructive assholes. I genuinely hope history destroys every one of them.
I’ll never forget, will you?
Republicans have absolutely no clue how the past few months damaged America’s reputation in the world. Especially in Arabic countries and Europe the trust in America has gone from an already low level to absolute zero. Every country which isn’t absolutely braindead tries to cut ties with the US as fast as possible. This is a loss of soft power which made the US dominate the world and might never be repairable even with a sane president. America’s decline is accelerating because of that down the line, long after Trump has left this world.
He was smart enough to drone strike children and got americans to think he’s a nice guy. Or americans are just dumb and or don’t care
Tis not former
Competence and responsibility mean nothing to republicans. Words mean nothing to them. They have no consistent beliefs and their lives are controlled by their erratic emotions and bigoted preconceptions.
Society cannot function while people like that have any control over anything, and in the USA they are disproportionately represented in our government.
did America really take 97% of Iran’s enriched Uranium ?
Yes but he’s a black democrat so it doesn’t matter
Too bad he didn’t cause any meaningful change to the DNC and immediately dissappeared after his term letting the party flounder without a real direction. We’re still feeling the effects of his lack of leadership. He was the disruption candidate that forgot to disrupt.
He’s also been happy to help rehabilitate bush and is now being pro republicans staying around as a party.
Hell in office he was more than happy to continue bushs programs and agendas
He probably disappeared because the DNC was still propping up Hillary Clinton and she was running the show. Remember 2008 was supposed to be Hillary’s year, Obama came out of nowhere during the primaries, he was just a one term senator. So the DNC and Hillary probably felt that Obama swiped the presidential seat from under their nose. Obama gave Hillary Secretary of State as a peace offering, but probably wasn’t enough for the DNC and Hillary. I doubt he could have pushed through any meaningfully change when the DNC was adamant on getting Hillary in office.
He had 8 years to do something about it. He used them to help prop her up. Remember he made her Secretary of State. That’s when we got to see what a true war hawk she is.
That sociopathic ghoul was even less palatable than Copmala
What was he supposed to do? He gave us 8 years of competent leadership. One deserves retirement.
I was in the Finance Industry during the 2008 Crash and its aftermath.
The way Obama unconditionally saved the Asset Owners, refused to fully restore the Regulation of the Industry that had stopped crashes like that from happenning (until none other than Clinton repealed it) and made mainly workers pay for it all (which is why inequality has exploded since), was not “competent leadership”.
Unless you think that when a leader of a nation sacrifices the many to save the few from their own massive fuck-up that’s “competency”.
And don’t get me started on his droning campaign were so many civilians were killed that Obama changed the definition of Enemy Combatant to be all men ages 16 to 60, so that they didn’t count as collateral casualties.
Obama was a veritable political songbird, his song beautiful and inspiring - great communicator, impeccable image management. What he was not was compentent, at least not at representing the interests of all, or even just most, of the citizens of the country he was president of.
(I suppose you could say that he was competent at some things, though not at being a President).
Supposedly, and I’m not making any claim on the veracity of this, there was a decision on whether to prioritize healthcare or accountability for the financial industry, and they went with the former. That’s their story anyway
The healthcare plan they prioritized was developed by the Heritage Foundation, on behalf of insurance providers. Mitt Romney actually ran on implementing basically the exact same bill.
Agreed
It would’ve been a more believable claim if the outcome was Universal Healthcare rather than some small tweaks on the existing system that did not in any way, form or shape solve the probem.
Agreed
Make meaningful change in the DNC. You know, like my comment said. Look what Trump did to the RNC. He completely reshaped that party. Obama left it floundering so he can make money giving speeches.
I feel like you’re giving WAY too much credit to Trump. Did Trump change the RNC? Or was he just the catalyst that allowed the RNC to become what they always wanted to become? All he did was rally the base like no other politician on either side really has. The RNC just saw that as an opportunity.
Yes, he did that much to change the RNC. He put his daughter in law as the head of the RNC so he could threaten to primary people that didn’t do what he wants. He did that during the time he wasn’t president…
I guess I just disagree. IMO, that’s not his responsibility.
Cheers, mate!
That’s fair, but what is the point of hiring a leader of a party if they’re not going to lead that party? The democrats have had that problem since I’ve been alive. They seem to always just hope some charismatic person arises instead having a true direction. It’s an inherent problem with being a “big tent” party. Trying to please everyone you end up pleasing no one.
No, that is his only responsibility. He was a servant of the people, not the other fucking way around.
Servant of his sponsors, as all of them
And he served the people until his term ended, no?
That’s something that could be debated. He didn’t do many of the things he campaigned on. Gitmo is still going… He was a massive let down for the people that voted for him to be a disruptor.
Alright, fair enough…but comparatively… lol
I would rather not have a competent mass-murdering imperialist.
Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia
The smug Drone King mass-murderer needs to STFU
Is he allowed to speak the Truth? Cant they indict him some charges or something?
Trump wants to jail him for being black, I think.
trump and his father always hated blacks, always refer to them as the N-WORD. even on trumps own REALITY show, he hated how omarosa, and other black contestants have to win sometimes.
good! good! in New America (Bright Flag blue, beautiful) those ARE indictable charges! wheres ICE? do they know Obama is black? xD
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