Let’s take a real guy who’s a real ‘bad boy.’ He’s muscular, wears ‘bad boy fashion,’ drives a sports car and a motorcycle, is arrogant, sarcastic, and an asshole to his friends, family, and kids, and very clearly doesn’t love or even like his friends or girlfriend. Is it true he’s more likable than a ‘nice guy’?

  • PlzGibHugs@piefed.ca
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    19 hours ago

    No, altough they do tend to be good at picking out vulnerable people and manipulating them.

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    18 hours ago

    I think you might be confusing likeable with attractive.

    As others have said, some women (and men) find guys like that attractive because they’re a challenge to conquer or are more exciting than someone more predictable and safe.

    But they generally aren’t likeable. Women who are attracted to them don’t like them; they like the sense of inherited power.

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    14 hours ago

    I don’t think anyone has ever claimed a person like that is more likable. They do have better prospects on the short-term dating market, broadly speaking, but that’s about it.

    When it comes to women, what they generally look for in a mate is the capacity to be bad - but not acting that way toward them. It signals both competence and kindness. Just being “bad” isn’t good in the long run, and neither is being “good” when it’s just a survival strategy rather than a conscious choice.

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    19 hours ago

    Is it true he’s more likable than a ‘nice guy’?

    It is not generally true, but the flies are attracted by manure, aren’t they?

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    19 hours ago

    I think not.

    I think the aesthetic of the bad boy looks cool, and many movies and tv shows played off it to create allure for an otherwise flat character.

    But in most media, the bad boy has a redemption arc and ends up being a Good Dude in the end.

    In reality, what you think of as a bad boy is just an antisocial, toxic twat most people don’t want to be around.

    To your ending question: I’d say they are definitely not more likeable, but they’re probably sexier.

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      It’s a lot of the aesthetic. There’s no shortage of posts from people outside the punk/metal scene that point out despite the aggressive and “bad boy” appearance they find most to be nice, friendly, decent people. That’s not to say that everyone looks like that is, we’ve got toxic people, tourists, and cosplayers who steal the look but don’t adopt the ethos, but both scenes gatekeep the right way by screening out the assholes and letting them know such behavior is unacceptable and unwelcome. Battlejackets covered in studs and patches look tuff when finished, but it’s a lot less “tuff” when you see behind the scenes and realize there’s a community discussing stitching techniques, pro-tips on how to get your studs straight, and there’s a bunch of mohawked crusties splitting a pizza and a rack while having group sewing night.

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    19 hours ago

    I have to suspect that these guys have a little more depth than you give them credit for.

    If they were assholes to everybody all the time, nobody would like them, so in order for this bad boy to be popular, there must be something that all these other people find appealing.

    There could be another side to them that you haven’t seen because they only show it to certain people.

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    19 hours ago

    Short term absolutely. Long term, they are insufferable pricks. My cousin is the prime example of this.

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    14 hours ago

    Is it true he’s more likable than a ‘nice guy’?

    A nice guy or a ‘nice guy’? Bc the guy you described definitely is more likeable than one of them.

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    18 hours ago

    Yes because he is everything the significant others’ parents probably hate. I think it is a short term rebellion thing. Plus there is the mentality of ‘I can change him’. So he is a challenge hence attraction.