This is why I’m going to argue for pure Arch or Artix. Ultimately, what a lot of these distros bring to the table is artwork. But they bite off a lot more than artwork when doing so. And in time they can start to suck at that administration.
It’s not very hard to set up your system with a vanilla DE and adjust it into something good. You don’t need to get fancy. And to the extent someone else’s art work can be good and accelerate getting to a nice system, there are other ways to distribute that.
You should want your distro to be 95% administration and 5% art because in the long run that’s whats going to keep your system stable and avoid future headaches. But some artists are overly ambitious and envision creating an entire version of an operating system, including the parts they aren’t passionate about. And some people buy in on this premise and install these projects. …instead of just releasing dot files.
For it to go well requires that both the leadership and the contributors are passionate about all of the parts and passionate about them forever. Not very likely. If you want a distro that is administered well, get a distro where administration is all they do, and then get your artwork as a separate selection.
Now you can get your art from artists who put 95% of their effort into art. And your package stability by people who put 95% of their effort into package stability.
Everyone has romantic feelings toward a system that is integrated. But what they should realize is that integrated and modular are opposites. And modular is what they should want, with effective roll separation.
If they fork Majaro that is good. If when they fork it they scope down to just distribute a dot file set, and maybe create their own easy installer for Arch that isn’t a seperate whole distro, that is better.
They need to cast out the person who can’t renew the ssl certificate.
Who renews certificates these days? You automate that now, especially with 47 day certs coming.
My renewals have been running in a crontab for five years without any hiccups. The fact they can’t do that is simply lazy.
That’s the level of incompetency that needs to be booted
Riot Games recently screwed it and downed LoL for a while
its a garbage distro
I moved back to a debian based distro and it’s basically the same. Doesn’t really matter which one you use
Did I just find next distro to try? :) Kudos to them anyway (yay, that’s the kind of news I want to hear)
As others suggest, why stay attached to Manjaro at all? Instead of forking, what about expending that energy on a rising distro without such reputational damage?
CachyOS is very close “in spirit” if they want to develop modified/custom packages, but there are plenty Arch downstream distros with less toxic communities.
They could even fork some other project and make the changes they like. It’d be a saner base than Manjaro at this point.
Switching distros was not on my agenda. 🙃
The fact that CachyOS more or less successfully replaced Manjaro’s purpose I guess is evidence of Manjaro’s issues.
I forgot but I think Bazzite had similar complaints (due to its use of silverblue) in which case it was just more straightforward to use Fedora or OpenSUSE if you don’t want to work with the read only root system.
Downstream distros need to bring additional value to the table to be worth using, otherwise there’s really no need if you can make a package group that accomplishes the same thing in one go.
I had been using Pop-os for about a year but wasn’t completely happy with it. A friend suggested Bazzite and, to me, it was a lot better in some ways and worse in others. I’ve since switched to Fedora and don’t really have any complaints. I don’t plan on switching again baring something I don’t see coming.
Aragorn writes that Philip Müller (the project lead) has been running Manjaro as his own personal venture rather than a community effort, keeping a tight hold on access to both the codebase and the infrastructure.
These weasels never care about the actual thing that is being built, its just a way to make money for them.
Hope they kick that Philip guy out and get back to making this a passion project.
The core members with passion for the actual thing should restart under a new name.
Just quit and move to CatchyOS
I don’t game on my laptop, so the benefits of CachyOS over my EndeavourOS are moot.
I had to check boxes for gaming packages specifically to get installed. It’s an extremely fast Arch fork first and foremost, with gaming features second.
I thought it’d be gaming first too but it was clear during install that’s more of an “oh also”.
yeah, but me switching from EndeavourOS to CachyOS, what tangible benefits am I realistically going to gain? if all I do is use Firefox and play music/movies? ya know?
Honestly the damage is done. Manjaro has been an instant no from me dog for a long time. The name carries a negative connotation. Trust has eroded.
What happened?
Plenty of things, but the most obvious being the two separate instances they had issues with renewing their certs.
Could you please explain why not renewing their certs is such a serious betrayal? Like, if they fixed it, isn’t that okay? And even if it happened again, and they fixed it again, isn’t it human to err? Or why is it such a harsh offense?
Serious question, I don’t know the consequences of not renewing these certs. 😊
It’s the tls certificate that proves your website is legit. Without which, you can potentially be a malicious actor that can pose as the website, and when you download the iso, you could unknowingly download something malicious. It’s pretty hard to forget certificate renewal (most of the time there are plenty of reminders sent and warnings given), so the fact that it happened twice was very impressively bad.
It’s pretty hard to forget certificate renewal (most of the time there are plenty of reminders sent and warnings given)
Oh boy. Seems to be the opposite in real life. Especially when it comes to managing stored cert of businesses partners. It has gotten somewhat better now of course, but three years ago most of my company’s sev1 production issues were due to lapsing or unscheduled cert changes.
It’s more than that. Broken updates. Failed hardware ventures. The project has been shambling along for a long time.
I liked Manjaro, they had a nice theme, it was in the direction of Arch, but still had some guardrails for the noobish.
Then my system kept breaking, then they screwed up their certs. If they want to fork it and go forward with a different focus/ideology, that’s fine by me.
and the certs lapsed again after volunteers built tooling to Prevent That
but somebody never set up the cron job to run it
Well that’s confidence inspiring.
Don’t forget their package manageer DDoSing the AUR multiple times
You seem to have misspelled package mangler
Oh yeah. Forgot about that one.
The trust. It eroded.
I mean, I think they were looking for a little more detail that that.
Over a hundred thousand years the ocean of distrust has eroded the cliffs of trust in a non-insignificant manner.
Keep the dumbass reddit style “jokes” to reddit. Either answer the question or stfu. You’re not funny and your lame attempt at a “joke” is just annoying.
I don’t see anything in the rules that says you can’t make a joke in the comments. The only thing that comes close is rule 7, and even that allows comments. Maybe you should go back to reddit?
If you’re bringing the rules into this conversation, you’re misunderstanding the conversation
from what i undertand, everyone else is making jokes and enjoying them while one person has to be a debbie downer
Hah, sure, I’ll cop to that, you’re the downer for bringing up the rules lol
So mean for no reason.
I think your butt plug has gone sour. Time to change it.
And yet their “unfunny lame attempt at a joke” got 90+ upvotes, so clearly some people thought it was funny.
There shall be no mirth in this place!
It’s not mirthful, it’s dreary and tedious.
You know what I am going to do it even harder dot gif
So… Open Manjaro?
Mandrake is a name that has freed up.
Ooooh!!!
The only reason I went with manjaro this last time is because I had my arch Linux install adventure already and I just wanted my computer to work. is there an install script that just works now?
There is archinstall which does everything for you. If you don’t wanna do anything yourself though, just check out CachyOS or EndeavourOS
I just switched from Bazzite to Cachy today. For some reason my disk space got… clogged, with Bazzite? Filelight was no help so I backed everything up, wiped the disk, installed Cachy, replaced my files, and the disk went from being nearly full to only using 600GB. Still not sure what happened there.
Cachy, meanwhile, has asked me to update 4 times in the 4 hours I’ve been using it. Which is fine, I get that Arch is rolling release, but now on the 4th update it keep failing for some reason. Also I can’t have my headphones and speakers plugged in at the same time or my speakers don’t work.
Sigh. All this KDE stuff is nice and flashy, and my games have worked with both Bazzite and Cachy, so I appreciate that, but damn is it tough for me to make a Linux recommendation to anyone else that isn’t just “use Mint, it’s stable.” Anything more in depth turns into a mini essay (see above!)
The tool
gduis very nice for finding space culprits.Never used Bazzite, but isn’t it heavy on packaged apps with snap or flatpak? Inherently space inefficient (and I despise them both passionately).
Don’t update all the time. I update every couple of days like a maniac, but once every few weeks is fine too.
There’s a distro for every level of “I want to do it myself” vs “I want everything to be made ready for me”.
It’s flatpak. Not snap, by god, not snap.
It’s inefficient, but he is stating that he is now using “only 600GB”, so I would guess it shouldn’t be that notable to someone who thinks 600GB is not much.
I used to dislike it, but consider that Flatpak is allowing a lot of small distros to exist outside of Debian/RHEL/Arch. Void, Chimera, Adélie or Guix (insert yours here) “only” have to implement a desktop environment and Flatpak to be usable. It’s not ideal and it kind of goes against the point of those distros, but they definitely couldn’t package Flathub’s 3300 apps themselves. Especially the proprietary ones that only provide a .deb and .rpm.
Also the sandboxing is nice when installing proprietary stuff. I don’t want Microsoft Team drooling all over my stuff.
Oh, I didn’t realize how unclear that was. The disk is a 2TB NVME SSD. I searched and searched, even booted into Mint on another disk and tried to search from there, and could only find a few hundred GB worth of files (probably about 600GB if I had to guess, lol). I genuinely have no idea what could have been taking up nearly 1.4TB of space, so that’s all I meant when I said “only.”
My suspicion is that something was going wrong whenever I deleted anything. Maybe for some reason the data just weren’t going anywhere, even though the trash was empty and they were no longer showing up in their old locations. Hence the term “clogged.” No similar issues with Cachy just yet, though.
So, yeah, flatpak is horribly inneficient on disk usage and can easily take 60GB if you are a bit generous on app installs. 60GB is, notably, less than 1.4TB
Out of curiosity, how did you search for what was using up the space? Did you try apps like baobab or filelight? One of them is usually preinstalled and they have not failed me yet (except when hard-linking or copy-on-write is involved, but that shouldn’t show up on the global disk usage percentage)
You probably had snapper making tons of backups. You can open up btrfs assistant and delete some old snapper backups to make room.
Set up the snapper-timeline.timer and set snapshots to only snap on update/remove of packages with snap-pac. Also from the arch wiki,
Create subvolumes for things that are not worth being snapshotted, like /var/cache/pacman/pkg, /var/abs, /var/tmp, and /srv.Is there a distro that sets this up well by default?
Garuda Linux -> https://garudalinux.org/
Just checked the fstab on my tablet and they have subvolumes for root, home, srv, cache, log and tmp. I also have snap-pac installed and not sure if it’s installed by default but I assume it is. Their KDE is awesome! Very polished. They have really taken the time to make arch easy.
They have all sorts of aliases in the .bashrc that are there to make transitioning to arch a little less daunting to the average user. Things like reflector to stay current with mirrorlists.
The have warnings when something is wrong during updates with instructions how to fix, taking care of conflicts during updates, fixing pacman lock,
garuda-update remote fixto restore pacman to their default’s. Chaotic AUR might be installed by default, not sure it’s been a long while since I installed. Great setup assistant, and installer. btrfs-assistant and eza setup. Might want to install and set up meld to handle pacdiff in the .bashrcalias pacdiff="sudo -H DIFFPROG=meld pacdiff"If you want easyarch Garuda is it. If you want a real arch experience without having to go through the manual install process, endeavour or archinstall is the way to go. You might have to setup btrfs and snapper the way you want it manually though. Im not sure about endeavour as I haven’t used it in a while. It’s pretty easy to do though.
Just fork already. EndeavourOS exists, an awesome distro, so this threat is a triviality.
No. Let Manjaro die. It has no reason to exist in any form. Go contribute to something useful.
If I were a Manjaro dev, I would just jump ship to EndeavourOS, Cachy, or Garuda.
Is Garuda a serious distro? Last I heard it was basically a few people’s hobby project. Not to say one shouldn’t use it, but I don’t know if it’s on par with EOS and Cachy.
All community distros are someone‘s hobby.
Garuda has a very different focus than Cachy. Both are some extras on top of Arch.
Except that I want the same release cycle as Manjaro. The only equivalent I have found so far seems to be OpenSuse Slowroll, in beta for the past 2 years.
Picking Manjaro for stability 🤣 that’s a new one.
