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    2 days ago

    your awareness and your anecdotal experience doesn’t matter anywhere near as much as learning from the others who have come and tried before you for the last century and a half and looking at your exchanges with others here makes it clear that’s the piece of the puzzle you’re missing.

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        14 hours ago

        if you do the reading you will learn 2 things that automatically address your question.

        1. that it’s the opposite of magic – it’s a long and slow methodical process that will take generations because the epstein class sees socialism as an existential crisis to their existence, so they use their control and the ALL of the global north’s resources to obstruct socialism in every 👏 single 👏 possible 👏 way that they can.

        2. and that every 👏 single 👏 possible 👏 way includes the epstein class using their ownership over our media to convince the western world over several generations that socialism is ineffective.

        #1 is documented in those writings that you should read and also independently confirmed by several other governments across the world and #2 is documented by the american government in document releases like the freedom of information act; the panama papers; and the epstein files as well as analyzed heavily by people like chomsky and parenti.

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          14 hours ago

          Listen this is nothing new to me. I’m asking you, specifically, what you think we should do. I’ve read all the books, the files etc etc. I’m asking you.

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            14 hours ago

            I’ve read all the books, the files etc etc.

            you clearly haven’t

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              13 hours ago

              I mean you aren’t making any case. You’re just throwing insults. It really doesn’t sound like you have a clue tbh. We also don’t have the luxury of following a “long and slow methodical process that will take generations”. That’s basically capitulation. We need actions we can take today. So again, I’m asking you, what actions do you think we should be taking?

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                13 hours ago

                not reading political theory is not an insult. the only insulting thing is asserting that you have when you clearly haven’t and reinforcing misinformation as a result.

                nonetheless, to answer your clearly bad faith question: the mexicans have proven what the closest thing to a relatively quick action that can be implemented for the united states and the proof is in the pudding with president sheinbaum; but it’s only temporary and the epstein class will reverse all progress she is making.

                since it’s now become clear that you will not listen nor accept information that contradicts your world view, there is no benefit in continuing this line of discourse.

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                  You told me I haven’t read political theory that I have been intimately familiar with for decades and then you say I’m in bad faith. Come on, be serious. All of the people who tried and failed also read this theory. Theory is theory and reality is something else. Which brings me to my next point…

                  In fact you do raise a good point. All progress gets erased by the pedos as soon as they get a chance. This is the environment we operate in so we need to factor that into any approaches we take. Anything we do needs to factor this in. There is no point in being well versed in theory but not being able to convert that into sustained action. This is why I am asking you what to do. Many people on here are so quick to throw the James Chambers under the bus when he has probably done more to advance the cause than anyone on here. Where is the humility? Where is the solidarity? It really stinks like a controlled opposition disruption setup. Shit in the pool so everyone has to get out.

                  “We are not outnumbered. We are out-organized.” - Malcom X

                  This kind of mud slinging will only ensure the above quote continues to be true.

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                    12 hours ago

                    then you need a study group to help you understand what you’ve read.