Having such a big influencer as Pewds shout out selfhosting, ad blocking and general privacy improvements is a huge win, no matter what your opinion is of him.
I’m always open to somebody’s redemption arc, even if I dislike them. The great thing about people is that we are capable of growth, even if not all of us always grow in the right direction, we always can.
What redemption? Where are his fediverse channels at?
…one step at a time, dude. This kind of thinking just serves to make perfect the enemy of good.
It takes 2 minutes to create an account on the fediverse, they are not interested in that, they are on youtube for the profits.
Thay may not even be aware of the fediverse for all we know, lmao
What concerns me is the implicit association people will make between him and FOSS, and anything they believe about one will carry to the other.
I have to assume there are already people who hear “Linux” and think “ugh, I wouldn’t touch that with a 10ft pole because I don’t want anything to do with Pewdiepie”. Similarly, if he says something dumb next week, and half his audience abandons him, they’ll likely have a negative outlook on FOSS going forward.
Either way, I don’t believe FOSS’ staying power comes from meteoric rises following a fad, it comes from a natural immunity to enshittification over time. On the scale of a few of decades, FOSS seems like it’s struggling against proprietary solutions. But just like the general concept of political democracy, I think on the scale of centuries it will become the clear, time-tested, least-bad option. But I digress.
If they are at that level of critical thinking they would not have survived Linux anyway so, idc.
A win for who? Sounds like he will deter some people and attract others based on whether they think checks notes anti-Semitism is a deal breaker. Jesus Christ this is pathetic.
Antisemitism, based on that one clip where he deliberately did something controversial to check boundaries of freelancers? Perhaps it wasn’t the brightest idea he’s ever had to upload this but framing him as such is a bit much I think. Like with his bridge-incident, I don’t think anyone would seriously call him racist for that.
Yeah like how many years ago was that? Lets just believe people can’t better themselves and hold things against them forever. What an awful reality that would be
Friend… in a now deleted instagram post he was caught with a “international jewish conspiracy” book in the background.
How is having 1 book on ur bookshelf enough to condemned a man. I have mein Kampf on my bookshelf sitting right next the communists manifesto and 1984. Does that make me a communist or a Nazi? How can u hope to defeat an ideology for which you do not understand?
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.” - Sun Tzu (The Art of War)
So ok he owns a book about some conspiracy theory, I didn’t know that. He read a lot and even talked about books some years ago. Who knows how he got the book, if he even read it, if he agrees with it’s content. Maybe he didn’t and still doesn’t want to get rid of it for some reason or another. If he would actively talk about it or so it would be a different story.
Damn which one is this? The one in the middle? If so thats quite recent bc I follow his content and his pc build is pretty new. Crazy conspiracy theory nutjob content in there. Its a pretty huge red flag since it aligns with the patterns in his edgy phase (during which I didn’t actively follow him). Makes me sad to think I might have had a lot better image of him as a person in my head as what he really is. Thank you for informing me. I mean technically he could just be curious in obscene conspiracy theorists. Like people can read religious text while being atheist or read Mein Kampf as a historic artifact. This book does seem more fringe tho. As long as he is not promoting this kind of belief. Makes me think if all this together makes a different light of him tho. Maybe he owns the book from back then and didn’t throw it out. But he moved from the Uk to Japan so I still wonder why he would’ve kept it.
I wouldn’t assume that he supports any of the book content just from having it on the bookshelf. You are not a nazi for having Mein Kampf on the bookshelf (worst example I can think of and it would be uncomfortable at most). If all you have on bookshelf is nazi/conspiracy propaganda though then it’s another topic
He’s read and reviewed all sorts of books, but as far as I know the only questionable one of those was the first Jordan Peterson thing (which he did criticize as well), so I don’t know how a single book he’s never talked about would flag him as anything. Sure, if he actively tried to preach what’s written in it or encourage people to read that stuff, but I agree that just owning some book is a pretty poor basis for accusations.
He has the platform, so if he’s a raging racist or antisemitist, why isn’t he using that for preaching those then?
he fled to japan until all the drama blew over the years, most people forgot about him and latched on to the enxt big influencer, mr beast and the likes.
that is not a “jewish” conspiracy book. iv read it and yes "enslavement is a strong word for it. but it does illuminate a few patterns on the growth of economy and abuses within them over history.
and also if it carried no weight then why is it widely banned.
He’s too dumb to be intentionally racist but he’s a great spoke person for your cause. 🙄
Spokesperson for “my” cause? Tell me more.
You have two masters and one is problematic. It’s nice that your master said kind things about the other, but you still have two masters.
Edit: I don’t follow the guy, I only know that this is a good thing only IF y’all convince others PewDiePie is a good guy actually.
Bro are you schizophrenic? What are you talking about, I have no “masters”. And I don’t say that pewdiepie is a “good guy”, I just said that I wouldn’t judge him based on such minor things.
It’s an analogy that illustrates that you are doing his PR work in order to serve an unrelated cause. Is that clear enough to understand or do you want to send people with butterfly nets after me?
“Too dumb to be intentionally racist”? I want to understand your comment more as I feel most people who ‘choose’ to be racist are pretty stupid. I can only imagine exceptional cases like politicians or leader figures who use fear and hate to get more power.
I think you make a better point than I did. I am responding to someone looking at a racist act and insisting it wasn’t racist but stupid.
He helped usher in this new enshittification. He was the Trojan horse. First one to reach a million
you think he has influence over youtube’s business model decisions?
You think not having total control of an organization means he’s free of blame. Would you say that your MAGA uncle doesn’t control Trump so isn’t responsible for his actions.
Pewdiepie is literally called an influencer. He warped what many young people belief they can become today and that belief is what ushered in a world of influencers chasing the all mighty dollar. That has given all these corporations fuel to create content and that content is stealing our data, eliminating data scarcity and used to influence politics.
He’s not the cause of it but he was an inflection point and could have went in a different direction to push kids to reject this new paradigm. Instead he was the face of it.
You think not having total control of an organization means he’s free of blame
I don’t, that’s something you made up about me in your head. I think that YouTube’s business execs would always lead it to where we are now.
He warped what many young people belief they can become today and that belief is what ushered in a world of influencers chasing the all mighty dollar
He made gameplay videos. I think that’s the most benign form of “influencing” there can be. I think there are much more damaging channels that had way more sway in shaping this new generation.
Again, I’m not saying he’s a saint but I do think he’s ultimately insignificant when looking at the causes of and reasoning behind youtube’s enshittification. And I don’t think he would ever go a different direction, just doesn’t seem like the type.
He laid the groundwork for those shitty influencer. He had the attention of young people who looked up to him. The minute they saw he could make millions by becoming the walking embodiment of a Nascar fender he set the attitudes and aspirations of a generation.
Would YouTube continue without him? Yes of course.
Could he have pushed back and created helped influence a generation of kids to reject the selling out of themselves to this influencer culture? Absolutely.
There were a few influencers in those early days that could have changed things or at least maintained the zeitgeist that we had then. Nobody did. That money was too good. Everything after he made that first million would change how the internet worked.
He was the inflection point. He could have impacted everything going forward. He could have told kids that these companies were stealing their data. That they were soliciting gamers to use as Trojan horses for what would eventually make everything worse.
To call him the inflection point, as if this wasn’t a more complex change emerging over time, is ridiculous. You are clearly speaking from an outside perspective. He has never come close to flashing his wealth or showing a ‘lifestyle’, anything that has came definitively after his peak. The influencer issue was also far more complex. Instagram was the central breeding ground for those types, and twitter was still conversationally relevant.
Even if he was the inflection point, what now? You expect someone at the center of things to realize their unique position, and then realize the most morally correct thing (to you) to do about it? Patently ridiculous, hindsight is 20/20 when it comes to larger cultural movements like influencers.
Calling pewdiepie an influencer shows how little you understand that sphere. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
What is an influencer?
Since you said I’m wrong, what is the inflection point that I’m describing?
Did I say he flashed his wealth?
I do expect people to be aware of their impact, directly and indirectly, especially on kids. The more people you can potentially impact, the greater the responsibility to be aware.
Is data collection, exploiting children to sell products, and the consequences of profit-seeking something that we weren’t aware of at the time PewDiePie became famous?
I agree PewDiePie didn’t sell things to children. He didn’t need to. He was the product. I’m against commercial pressure on the internet, which seems like a radical concept now. PewDiePie didn’t need to hawk products to kids i know he did a good job with that. But he was the product. He was the point at which kids saw they could become a gamer and help commercial sites collect people’s attention and sell it to advertisers. That model is what broke everything. It turned the internet into cable television 2.0.
We already had corporate-approved media that was just a way to sell our attention. The internet, for a brief moment, was something for us. It was as close to a gift economy as we could get. It was the difference between a lawn sprayed with glyphosate to kill anything that wasn’t good old American Texas bluegrass devoid of originality, beauty, or color but looking neat and a lawn allowed to grow wild, full of weeds but also flowers, plants, and life.
PewDiePie wouldn’t have been the only one to make money, but he was the first to hit that milestone, and everything changed after that.
And having a youtube video on lemmy frontpage is a huge ad for google and a missed opportunity for an open alternative to become more popular
Dunno about “huge ad” exactly… There arent that many of us here lol.
Not huge maybe but for what i care a big smack in the face to this open source and decentralized platform.
The people hating on him clearly haven’t seen much of his content lately. He’s grown up and has his life together pretty well now. If you think nobody is deserving of a second chance then you do you, nobody is forcing you to watch his content. I honestly love his redemption arc and I’ve watched some of his content lately and really enjoyed it. And good for him that he likes self hosting and is doing all these pc DIY projects.
he dint really accept his/or dealt with the consequences, he merely fled to japan to avoid and waited til all the drama died down, he mostly isnt on a redeeming arc, everyone just forgot about him.
he dint really accept his/or dealt with the consequences,
- He publically apologized for it (no ukulele though, which is how you know it’s a fake apology)
- He didn’t do it again
What else would you want him to do?
And what consequences are you specifically talking about?
I’ve never seen piewdiepie before his Linux journey. What did he do and what consequences does he deserve?
He did/said a bunch of racist shit in videos/streams.
In 2019 someone livestreamed themself committing a hate-crime/mass shooting, killing 51 Muslim people in New Zealand. The shooter began his livestream with “subscribe to Pewdiepie!”
That seemed to be a rude awakening for Pewdiepie, and I believe that he’s stopped with the racist shit.
What racist things did Pewdiepie do/ say himself though? I don’t think it’s fair to attribute someone using his name to commit terrorism to him.
Similarly the guy who shot trump was wearing a demolitionranch shirt.
He’d use the N-word, and make “jokes” like paying people to make a sign that said “death to all Jews”.
I assume that he was trying to be edgy, but it was a little too far.
Self-hosting is a literal addiction. lol
I started with just an invidious instance and now I have my own audiobooks app that I’m also turning into a navidrome client. Did I say jellyfin and pihole, too?I’m curious, is self-hosting invidious even worth it? Youtube can still see every video you pull through, right, and now it’s linked to a static ip address associated with you?
Invidious is certainly worth it, even though you lose live feeds at the moment. You can even remove comments and trending. If you want to subscribe to a channel, you can do it without YouTube.
I totally missed him being a Youtube jackoff and only watched my first Pewdiepie video last year when he was degoogling. Because I was doing that as well. Then saw his Linux video and that made me realise Linux was for me.
So while people might think he’s some sort of douche, to me he’s just fucking brilliant! So funny and smart, and really wants to help people escape from the awful internet we have now, where everything is sucking up your data. He gives great advice on how to do that and does it in such a funny way.
People keep mentioning his redemption arc lol, but i’ve just seen the great stuff so for me, abs love his stuff! Highly recommended!
Best thing for Linux, having such a huge Youtuber praising it so much!
can already tell this is gonna be the most insufferable comment section of all time
Wtf is wrong with this place, why is everyone fighting
And why does it seem like they all hate Pewdiepie?This is a site populated mostly by the too edgy or too contrarian for Reddit, with the same flaws in incentive systems as Reddit, why are you surprised lol.
I mean I’m just here because of the API thing
Same, and I’d count that as contrarian behaviour.
No it’s not!
lot of old farts on here that never grew up on youtube, just ignore the bitter old heads and people who think there too highspeed to have ever enjoyed his videos.
Didn’t downvote. I’m old…like probably the oldest user here, and tho I have heard of Pewdiepie, I’ve never seen any of his videos nor do I know any of his lore.
are you bitter? if not then you dont apply.
Never tasted myself.
I’m old. I never understood the appeal of that cunt.
Im old and I personally love him for being the same guy all this years.
He said the nword once (terrible thing), almost a decade ago, apologized for it and improved (I guess) as a person
I’m sick of internet people calling for a guillotine whenever someone makes a mistake even onceyeah, its part of why the internet sucks, you make some bad decisions, fall for some stupid propaganda or listen to the wrong person, and you’re branded forever. People make bad decisions. It happens.
gods forbid someone make a mistake and then take a step back to reexamine their lives to try and be a better person.
He literally defined low Q brain rot videos. there are good uses of YouTube, then there is this guy.
Homie, they couldn’t waterboard me into posting that sentence publicly
And why does it seem like they all hate Pewdiepie?
He took a fascist turn during Trump 1 and never really recovered his image. Got into a bunch of weird exploitative shit, not unlike Mr Beast. The most notable being when he tested the Fiverr service and paid five dollars to get Indian freelance actors to laugh and show a sign saying ‘Death to all Jews’.
After that, he started getting deplatformed and his following fell off considerably. So, like a bunch of other has-been YouTube starlets, he decided to get even more edgy and reactionary, further poisoning his image. It’s the same death spiral Russell Brand and Rob Schneider fell down.
Not to defend them or completely dismiss their part in all that, pretty sure it was just someone else sending the fiverr video to them and them opening it while streaming. But the latter incident, where they shouted some slurs on air while playing some game, that’s I think more inexcusable. But I always got the impression they never were actual nazi or far right despite the subject matter of the incidents, it’s more just them being an idiot and trying to be funny and edgy for content and missing the target entirely on a couple of occasions. I think the aftermath speaks for itself, they did some reflecting and ended up changing the formula and content type entirely, and we are now seeing the fruits of that effort.
I don’t mean to belittle the shit they’ve pulled, but I also don’t want to paint anyone irredeemable, even less when they actually manage to do introspection and change. We should encourage that and highlight that instead. I’d reserve the unconditional hate and spite for those that deserve it, that don’t change, don’t reflect, perhaps actually mean the things they do and say, with passion.
Sorry, but something I’ve had to learn with time is that it really doesn’t matter who’s operating the gas chamber, if their actions rely on hundreds of other people openly saying “Death to all jews”. There’s no importance to whether those people would ever pull the lever themselves. The language is what’s important, not how much they were “only joking”. Both an ultra-racist and an edgy teen in their late 20s are just “trying to get away with it” and don’t care who they hurt.
Is bigotry for clout not somehow worse than at least holding a bigoted conviction?
I don’t really see the things he did and said (he didn’t AFAIK actually make that fiverr order btw) as taking “a fascist turn”. Not excusing him using slurs on stream or his weird dogwhistles to fascists during that period, though, he certainly did and said things he should not have. But I think there’s a difference between farming edgy meme culture, in an insensitive way, for views, and actually espousing fascist views and trying to convert people to them. I might be missing something, and I’m under no illusion that the guy is some perfectly kind and humble person, but I think he’s more than made up for his prior mistakes as a public figure, with what he’s doing as a public figure now. It’s quite clear he’s no longer in the cancerous influencer rat race, and hasn’t been for some time.
Damn, WSJ really succeeded in their campaign
Yeah I’m certainly not going to claim to be an avid or long time watcher of pewdiepie but… No he didn’t? The fiverr thing happened, sure. But the rest of that is wild conjecture and misinformation.
no its just virtue signalers and keyboard warriors remembering hed did a bad thing that one time on the bridge and assumed hes a Nazi now.
hed did a bad thing that one time
Far more than the one time. He had a whole routine about exploiting overseas labor to perform humiliating stunts.
Nah I’m not going to take a lecturing, each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained, it’s why a lot of people on this page aren’t taking you guys seriously, your type are to tightly wound up
each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained
You hear this from serial sexual harassers all the time. Every individual incident has plausible deniability. It’s the trend line that eventually catches up with you.
your type are to tightly wound up
My type being… big budget advertisers on YouTube?
The nazi who shot and killed 51 Muslim worshipers in Christchurch in 2017, shouted ‘subscribe to pewdiepie’ at the start of his live streamed rampage
you’ll have to excuse me if I never let that go
I love everything he has been doing recently. He is a master of story telling and goes surprisingly far into solving technology challenges, while keeping it fun and real. What an amazing transformation really
Fuck this nazi bag of shit.
Why? What did he do?
He made a loose nazi joke like 10 years ago and the reaction was hilarious. He’s definitely not a nazi
Didnt know pewds is breaching into the tech sphere (from gaming).
Do I need to sub him now? :pBeyond his interest in FOSS and privacy, he’s also just mellowed out a ton, the dude is in his mid (late?) thirties and you can tell.
His Japan & family vlogs are also really chill - he has become much more chill and proper. If you remember him from when he got big on YouTube 10 - 15 years ago, he was a completely different person!
I don’t really remember why everyone hated him (Besides being annoying and once using a slur, for which he probably was lacking complete cultural understanding), but he was pretty young when he popped off. Not everyone changes as they age, but many people do. It’s very reasonable to say he is a different person now.
I feel it’s reasonable to recognize the wealth he has collected, and to conclude he is not my ally.
I don’t fucking care who it is, wealth hoarding causes immeasurable harm, not to mention requires a sociopathic mindset. So…yeah, I’m not even giving him a chance. I got better shit to waste my time on…
I dont really understand, is it possible to block JUST the shorts on Youtube? Any idea where i can find more about that?
I dont want to leave youtube just yet, but occasionally the shorts are melting my brain.
On android you can hide/remove with revanced.
Revanced not working so well lately…
Check out Morphe which is a fork of revanced and better maintained https://github.com/morpheapp
I tried it twice… First it stopped with a file not found exemption in a temp folder…
The next time the app crashed.
Mine started acting weird on wifi today, so I updated it. Getting a sponsorblock error 502, but working otherwise.
2.2.2 came out 12 hours ago, updating now to check it all again.
Here is the YouTube version I’m using.
2.2.2 is bugging out when compiling for me.
So I’m SoL.
Maybe I’ll try CLI… If I get bored or Firefox stops working(w/ublock.)
Give it a few days, I got a popup saying there was an issue, they’re working on it.
I know Brave is a big no no in these woods but they offer an option to select your own Content Filtering lists and one of those is Youtube Shorts.
Fantastic privacy feature.
Also they have Paywall Blocker, AI Suggsstion Blocker… Etc etc
On Android you can remove shorts with Brave
There’s some irony in that sponsor block has to block four segments of the video.
I don’t think there’s any irony in people trying to make money with their work. And I’d much much MUCH rather have them insert multiple sponsors in a video that I can just skip over than worry about ads and their constant tracking.
The irony is making boatloads of money and then pulling up the ladder behind him while he can make his money anyhow, because he’s already got a critical base under him.
Just like the boomers.
I think he’s a tool, but credit where it’s due: it’s great that he’s supporting the movement, and he does have a huge following.
I don’t think he’s as dumb as he seems in some videos. His persona and mannerisms are very much a pan-Scandinavian thing. To me it’s a throwback to the early 00’s, when we filled our brains with plenty of Jackass, Blink 182 and Eric Cartman.
Maybe he’s the right tool for the job
