Eskating cyclist, gamer and enjoyer of anime. Probably an artist. Also I code sometimes, pretty much just to mod titanfall 2 tho.

Introverted, yet I enjoy discussion to a fault.

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  • The qpwgraph workaround works in the matrix clients as well, but passing media audio into a WebRTC stream meant for voice is not ideal. Any decent client is likely to heavily filter out background audio (which with a game would be a lot of the ambient soundscape), and the audio would in some cases end up mono.

    Broadcast-box is on the simpler side, if self hosting. If not, there is a public free-to-use instance here: https://b.siobud.com/


  • Honestly, that means peer to peer, not centralised

    Peer to peer vs a server does not have significant latency difference. There is one, but not one universal enough that’d make latency the reason to choose the former in most cases.

    OBS will use large buffers (multiple seconds) that are then sent out to the server.

    It doesn’t. Streaming from OBS over WHIP is able to get down to about 300ms of latency, and that’s when watching via a server, rather than peer to peer.

    The main source of streaming latency (the buffer you mention) happens when using the older HLS standard.

    WHIP or WebRTC HTTP Ingestion Protocol (and the other end for clients, WHEP) allows software like Broadcast-box to be just as fast as conferencing screenshares in peer to peer video calls. Because it is the same tech.

    Matrix has MatrixRTC (or whatever they call it) but you will need the Element client and will need to activate RTC in the “labs”. Not sure if it’s in the stable build or the beta.

    MatrixRTC voice, video and screenshare is in element, comment and cinny. It does not need to be enabled in labs. Its main problem at the moment is the lack of system audio when sharing the screen.

    OBS with Broadcast-box allows you to achieve real-time video sharing with audio, with full control of the video stream audio and quality thorough OBS’s recording and encoder settings. And to watch, your friends need no accounts or anything, they just open the broadcast-box link in a browser.


  • No?

    The fastest I got it down to was about 30 seconds of stream delay. It’s a limitation of HLS, which will never be truly fast.

    Owncasts own guides state:

    If you require real-time, video conferencing style latency you may want to look for a different solution that doesn’t use HLS video, as this scaling and distribution model will never get to sub-second levels.



  • Owncast already mentioned, and while it’s good, it doesn’t achieve real-time streaming like discord does. It’s more of a twitch replacement for streamers with an actual audience thanks to it’s ActivityPub support (in that people on stuff like mastodon can “subscribe” to the server).

    MatrixRTC is still new and while it’s already being used to provide voice channels in clients like element, cinny and commet, as of now none of them can stream gameplay with audio.

    For this I’m currently using Broadcast-box. Self-hostable, but the dev also provides a public instance.

    It uses WHIP to stream over WebRTC (OBS is compatible) to achieve less than half second latency. More than fast enough to feel like “real-time” if in a voice-chat with friends. And you can push the video quality past what any platform like youtube, twitch or discord will allow.











  • The first is to defend the status quo.

    I want change. I thought I made that clear.

    What I don’t agree with, is laws being pointless. Their ideal is to use violence to reduce and prevent violence.

    Human society needs that. Done well they are a net good.

    And you’re just doing that with ideas you misunderstand so badly i can’t even bring myself to correct you on.

    “You’re so wrong I can’t even describe it”, and you’re saying I’m the one trying to be edgy?

    Really convenient excuse to not actually engage.

    Things are sometimes simple though. Violence indeed bad. Best avoided. Not a good thing.

    Yes.

    Yet, it can be used to do good.

    And doing so is not only possible, but necessary.

    Youve clearly lived a very sheltered life and violence to you is just an abstraction. Youve never experienced the world so its really easy to imagine its all as flat and consequence free as your abstractions.

    Ok? Figuring someone out, even if you pull it off, doesn’t invalidate their logic.

    And you’re picking and choosing among the things I’ve said. I’m not gonna repeat myself by pointing out the contradictions in these conclusions with what you should know about me.

    I’m going to stop now. I’m pretty sure you’re a troll at this point. You’ve only made less sense, as you enigmatically refuse to elaborate in favor of attempts to discredit rather than dismantle.


  • So to start off with, youre using one example of game theory, the prisoners dilemma, as a stand in for right/wrong.

    I’m not. People can also co-operate to do bad things. The principle still applies.

    You either screw over others for individual benefit, or co-operate for collective benefit. That collective benefit can still be bad and come at the cost of your group defecting against another. Like a nation going to war.

    Or a small group in an advantaged position co-operating to enforce laws against a far larger group.

    Your oversimplification is stuff like “laws bad” or “violence bad”. Far more egregious imo.

    At least I apply logic that can be adapted to describe multiple scenarios, instead of boiling things down to flat statements.


  • Poetic. Unfortunately wordsmithing does not replace logic.

    Violence is to defect.

    A minority will always choose to defect, and they or their ability to do so must be removed.

    This creates an incentive for co-operators to co-operate, by defecting against defectors en-masse. These are laws (or their ideal, rather). Whether you write them down and enact ceremony around them is inconsequential.

    To wish for a system where all-defectors are not dealt with the only way which is effective, to defect back instead of co-operate in vain, is naive.

    That you think I need to be told that that is still violence, even more so.

    You call me childish, yet you make statements that so grossly simplify reality, that real discussion with you may be impossible.