Hydrogen waste way more energy than batteries.
Also the infrastructure for EV is built on the electric grid, and is way easier to expand, than building a universally accessible hydrogen infrastructure.
Finally you can charge your EV at home, no such chance with hydrogen.

Hydrogen may have a place in the future, but I don’t think it’s in personal cars.
Maybe in planes, trucks, and ships. That all have more specialized infrastructure. But probably not until we have very cheap renewable and surplus energy, so the wasteful method isn’t as much an issue.
But storage remains an issue, because you can’t contain hydrogen, which has a nucleus of only 1 proton, making it able to permeate every material in existence.

Couldn’t we do it with a concept of a plan maybe?
Actually planning ahead, is sooo boring.
/s.

On a more serious note, the discipline thing is a big nono, we don’t do discipline in Europe. And definitely not like they do in China.
In Europe we do more critical thinking, which prevent continuing flawed routines for prolonged periods of time.
A Chinese worker will follow instructions to the letter, no matter how idiotic they are.
In Europe we tend more to adjust as necessary. To make things actually work.

When Japan was rising, there was much admiration for their process too, but in the end, the European process turned out to be better in the long run.
I bet it’s not so much different with China.
The success of China was built on low wages and long work hours.
China will adopt to us, not the other way around.

This is extremely generalized falsely concluding from “American” to be the same as “Western”, when the reality the difference is HUGE between Europe and USA.
In USA Ford and GM have discontinued some of their more popular EV models. This is NOT happening in EU.
On the contrary EU manufacturers continue to expand their EV product lines.
The headline is a very big false equivalence.
Obviously Chinese brands have more success in EU, with about 13% tariffs than in USA with 150% tariffs.
Still European makers continue to compete on EV.

You can’t lump USA and Europe together on EV, they are very different markets, and Trump is specifically undermining EV production now!

You also can’t lump in South Korea, that have been very active making good electric cars, Japan is behind, and especially Honda seems to be pulling back on EV, but Toyota is finally beginning to show some decent offerings, and Nissan has been in the EV market for years now.

The article seems to think USA is “the west”, when it is nothing like it.

China is so far ahead on humanoid robots it isn’t even funny.
Of course Boston Dynamics is among the best, but China has about 10 companies that can do about the same.
Anyone who think Tesla is a serious contender that can make billions on this in the future, simply isn’t paying attention.

Weird that Boston Dynamics (Atlas) isn’t on the list?

OK, the content of the article isn’t news to me, but I’ll let it rest, so that you can rest. Sleep well.

the hybrid war is in full swing.

The hybrid war has been going on for decades, where Russia has undermined EU/NATO/USA.

but it wasn’t Russia but the US who was planning to invade.

Yes I think that is a HUGE part of it, European politicians just don’t say it directly, because they don’t want to anger Trump more than necessary, but everybody knows we can’t trust USA anymore. Russia succeeded probably more than Putin ever dreamt of with USA, and Brexit was also in part his doing. Russian ties to Boris Johnson and Farage are well documented.
And obviously Hungarian and Slovakian governments are also heavily compromised by Russia.
But USA must stand as his greatest achievement, but I suspect Putin didn’t foresee the Europeans so determination to built a better defense for ourselves.

OK, I’ve just seen that criticism a lot. But it’s not all well and good if you are a European car maker, because as I mentioned, there is steep competition from China, and tariffs in USA.
So what I stated was that all things considered, they’ve done about as well as could be expected, and also as I mentioned, we will very likely see a couple of makers that simply can’t manage this increased competition and hostile markets in China and USA.

The subsidies they do in China and USA are illegal in EU.
I agree on the subscription nonsense, but that VW group had to cut workers is a result of steep competition from China, and tariffs and other anti competitive messures in USA.
You simply can’t claim they dropped the ball, when they managed 50% market share for EV in EU, and managed to still turn a profit.
It’s not like everything stayed the same, and they lost money from making shitty products that customers don’t want.
I don’t really see anything in what you write, that validates saying they dropped the ball.
Being able to resist being squeezed from outside seems to me to be the opposite of dropping the ball.
No doubt almost all global car manufacturers will lose some market share to China, I don’t see any way around that. It seems many here on Lemmy, think that we should be able to stave off China completely, which is obviously completely unrealistic.

But I agree on subscription, and really hope the subscription model fails badly.
Intel tried something similar with their CPU business, and that failed completely.
For me it would be a major reason to hack my car. And get ALL the subscriptions for free.

At least it’s not Murdoch or Ellison.

I’m not surprised that European brands have dropped the ball,

How exactly do you figure European car makers dropped the ball?
IMO European car makers didn’t drop the ball. VW, Mercedes, BMW and Renault are doing pretty well considering the circumstances.
You can’t have a major new industrial power house like China enter the industry without it causing disruption, China is 10 times bigger a manufacturer than Japan was back in the day.
And China has been supporting their EV and battery makers as strategic industries.

If you compare European car industry to Japanese and Korean battery industry, China has taken just as much market share from them.

Then theres Toyota. I guess they wasted all their money with hydrogen and only focused on hybrids.

Yes, when you compare with Japanese manufacturers like Toyota and Honda, Europe has been stellar, even Stelantis is ahead of them on EV. The Stelantis problems date a bit further back, and is not so much about dropping the ball on EV, but alienating their customers with declining value of their products for higher profits.

It’s easy to say the big European manufacturers dropped the ball when looking at Tesla that got enormous government support, from the tax credit system that funneled enormous amounts of cash into Tesla, and in direct support from many states in building the Tesla charging network. Obviously the other American makers scrambled to make electric cars too, so they didn’t have to pay their entire quota to Tesla. And obviously the Chinese EV and battery industry have been directly state subsidized.

European manufacturers have not received comparable government subsidies, when an electric car sold in EU has subsidies, it’s the same subsidy for American made and Chinese made cars. But where Chinese cars have a 13% import tax, to compensate for the subsidies in China.

Edit PS:
UK carmakers didn’t manage to compete in the increased competition when Japan arrived on the market. The problems in the UK car industry date back to early 70’s. So now there are no UK owned big carmakers left. They are all subsidies of manufacturers from other countries, mostly Germany, but also India and China.

China is doing to the global car market today, what Japan did in the 70’s.
Japanese cars had huge gains from having better fuel economy than other brands.
Today China is gaining from having a wide variety of cheap Electric cars, and being the global leader on batteries.
Ironically Japanese brands are now the ones that are most behind on electric cars.
I am pretty sure that within a few years a couple of well known western brands will disappear. Most likely shrinkage of Stelantis and maybe Nissan will be first to go as I see it. But in China the competition is also so tough, that we may se a couple of Chinese brands disappear too.

It is probably not much fun to be a car manufacturer today, the market is in turmoil requiring about twice the models having both ICE and EV, this is increasing costs both of development and smaller production lines, and at the same time the competition is tougher than ever, making it harder than ever to make profitable models.

This situation will take at least a decade to settle.

You clearly don’t understand what whataboutism is.
Whataboutism would be if I claimed it was OK for China to spy because USA does it too.

That is not at all my argument.

Yes Huawei is partially state owned, which is very common in China. How does that prove anything?
The bad reputation on this is LITERALLY based on US propaganda. Including the situation in this piece that state “strong backing from Washington”.

Why the fuck does Washington care which G5 vendor we use?
The US government has been actively spying on European politicians and has been caught on multiple occasions, like this one:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/

Obviously there were also other things revealed by Snowden.

This is not whataboutism, when I’m pointing out that USA has an active interest in being able to continue to spy on Europe. My guess is the Huawei equipment makes it harder. Which is probably why USA propagandize against it.
But apparently people are morons here and don’t know what’s really going on. Because they can’t remember things that happened 10 or 20 years ago. Or they choose to ignore it, which is actually worse.
Obama admitted publicly that USA was spying on “non Americans”, stating it was ONLY!!! non Americans, making it legal in his opinion, and that was part of what he considered a good balance of US intelligence!!
USA has zero respect for human rights of non Americans, and zero respect for the law outside USA. This is very clearly also evidenced in how ICE is behaving inside USA.

There is no evidence that China is spying through Huawei G5 equipment, and I bet you can’t find any real evidence even if you try. Only American propaganda and false claims.
There is however evidence that Chinese Android phones have done it (telemetry), but that is no different from what Google, Apple, Facebook etc. are doing. And these situation has been limited to few brands, and were poorly hidden, so obviously not part of a state intelligence program.
But for some reason if a Chinese company is caught doing what everybody else is doing, it is immediately blown out of proportions and made into a scandal.

You people are naive, USA is not our friend anymore, they are not participating in this to help us. Huawei offered full transparency, which I bet the competition doesn’t.

tougher measures against Huawei — with strong backing from Washington.

AFAIK there has never been shown any evidence of Chinese spying in 5G hardware. On the other hand there has been a lot of propaganda and hetz from US authorizes against Huawei. Almost as if they were mad to lose a backdoor of their own.
Huawei has jumped through hoops to disprove that it should be the case that their hardware is compromised, including opening the technology so it can be reviewed by authorities in Europe.

On the other hand we know for a FACT that the US government is spying on us, that has been proven on a number of occasions.

banning China’s Huawei from 5G procurement and have told EU officials that large-scale bans are an “act of self-harm”

Question is what will happen long term, will we see European competitors like Ericsson, Nokia and Siemens make a comeback, and actually become competitive again? If not there is no sense to this, if all it does is make us dependent on American equipment.

their “new” production is a lot of hull modernisations

Yeah their new tanks should be pretty awful, and the armor not very good.
IDK why, but a lot of high level politicians such as state leaders, warn that Russia might be planning to attack EU/NATO.
I don’t really understand why that should be the case, because I think we will be way superior if they do. Especially since we are learning from Ukraine, plus we have our own technologies that are better than what Russia has.

The Russian economy is also collapsing now, so the idea that Russia should be able to wage a perpetual war is false IMO.

Last I heard Russia is making about 100 tanks per month. Compared to what they had that is not much, but probably more than what Europe is capable of.
But it’s more the new stuff that makes them dangerous, like the drones and missiles.
I 100% agree that supporting Ukraine is our best strategy, and hopefully when Russia lose that war, their appetite for more will vanish.
We are also already learning from Ukraine how to defend against Russia, so Ukraine is our most important ally now, which is amazing since we can’t trust USA anymore.

Russia’s army – often described as battered and exhausted – can’t be underestimated.

This is what the experts say, and it’s because Russia has turned into a war economy, and is producing military equipment like crazy.

an estimated 1.2 million casualties since it launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine

That’s the opposite of Russian propaganda, because they are using the Ukrainian numbers!

Daily mail is often criticized here, but at least it’s not Murdoch and at least it’s not American, and it seems to me this article is pretty decent.

All five Nordic countries are in the top six

Also among the least religious in the world! Maybe religion isn’t really helping?

In fourth place is Costa Rica

Congratulations to Costa Rica, a surprising mix with a country that is very different than the other countries in the top.

PS:
The reason USA isn’t in the top, is probably that they are so goddam tired of winning.

you have no idea who I am.

I know what you wrote, and my response is based on that.
You obviously think it’s OK to make fun of people for being Vegan, and think it’s OK to make fun of people for other reasons too, like being a librarian.
That clearly makes you “insensitive”.

Maybe you should consider why you think it’s OK to behave in a way, that makes you look like that?
Try to image the situation where Trump made fun of a handicapped journalist, is that who you want to be?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-s-worst-offense-mocking-disabled-reporter-poll-finds-n627736

Edit: Dialed it sown a little bit.