• Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    This is extremely generalized falsely concluding from “American” to be the same as “Western”, when the reality the difference is HUGE between Europe and USA.
    In USA Ford and GM have discontinued some of their more popular EV models. This is NOT happening in EU.
    On the contrary EU manufacturers continue to expand their EV product lines.
    The headline is a very big false equivalence.
    Obviously Chinese brands have more success in EU, with about 13% tariffs than in USA with 150% tariffs.
    Still European makers continue to compete on EV.

    You can’t lump USA and Europe together on EV, they are very different markets, and Trump is specifically undermining EV production now!

    You also can’t lump in South Korea, that have been very active making good electric cars, Japan is behind, and especially Honda seems to be pulling back on EV, but Toyota is finally beginning to show some decent offerings, and Nissan has been in the EV market for years now.

    The article seems to think USA is “the west”, when it is nothing like it.

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      3 days ago

      Chinese EVs have up to 45% tariffs in the EU. The exact amount is different for each company and depends on the amount of state funding that company had received

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        3 days ago

        up to 45%

        13% is about average, brands that cooperate with EU have lower rates, obviously brands that export to EU cooperate.
        AFAIK no brand is paying anything near 45%.

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          13% is certainly not the average. Not sure who upvotes such utter dubious information.

          All foreign cars have a 10% base import fee in the EU. Adding to that up to 35% extra anti-subsidy tariff.

          Byd: 27%

          Geely: 28%

          Saic: 45%

          Nio: 31%

          Xpeng: 31%

          Other: 45%

          Excluding shipping, handling and homologation and not including VAT that is applied on top of the tariffs.

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            2 days ago

            I was not aware of the 10% base duty for all cars into EU.
            But the rates you state are general for a brand, but do not account for per model negotiations:

            https://www.reuters.com/world/china/eu-tariffs-imports-china-made-evs-2026-02-11/

            Carmakers can now negotiate tariff exemptions for individual electric models imported from China.

            Cupra Tavascan has achieved a 0% duty, and Tesla is 7.8%.
            I suspect several of the more popular Chinese models, have negotiated lower rates too.

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              1 day ago

              Thanks for the follow up. It is worth mentioning that both Tesla and Cuprsa Tavascan are not Chinese owned.

              The biggest/most popular Chinese manufacturers in the EU are BYD, SAIC, Geely, NIO and Xpeng.

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                7 hours ago

                It is not who owns the company that matters, but that they are made in China, and how much the factory has been subsidiced. The Tavascan is built on a Chinese owned factory, where VW has a minority ownership.