Perhaps my original comment was too doom, gloom and harsh. But you can’t really say the Euro car industry is doing well. VAG having factories running on minimum or not at all, lay offs, BMW shooting themself in the foot with all the subscription nonsense… And the price. That’s the big one. Obviously the cheaper chinese things are nastier than a high end BMW, obviously the chinese makers are subsidized by the government… but perhaps the Euro car makers should have lobbied their governments/EU to subsidize their EV production lines, instead of wasting time and effort on moving the 0 Carbon goalposts further away. Though I’ll admit that the EU was moronic with deciding that we should do that in the time window that they did, that whole thing was done ass backwards and on a too tight schedule.
The subsidies they do in China and USA are illegal in EU.
I agree on the subscription nonsense, but that VW group had to cut workers is a result of steep competition from China, and tariffs and other anti competitive messures in USA.
You simply can’t claim they dropped the ball, when they managed 50% market share for EV in EU, and managed to still turn a profit.
It’s not like everything stayed the same, and they lost money from making shitty products that customers don’t want.
I don’t really see anything in what you write, that validates saying they dropped the ball.
Being able to resist being squeezed from outside seems to me to be the opposite of dropping the ball.
No doubt almost all global car manufacturers will lose some market share to China, I don’t see any way around that. It seems many here on Lemmy, think that we should be able to stave off China completely, which is obviously completely unrealistic.
But I agree on subscription, and really hope the subscription model fails badly.
Intel tried something similar with their CPU business, and that failed completely.
For me it would be a major reason to hack my car. And get ALL the subscriptions for free.
OK, I’ve just seen that criticism a lot. But it’s not all well and good if you are a European car maker, because as I mentioned, there is steep competition from China, and tariffs in USA.
So what I stated was that all things considered, they’ve done about as well as could be expected, and also as I mentioned, we will very likely see a couple of makers that simply can’t manage this increased competition and hostile markets in China and USA.
Anyways, sorry that I ended the conversation abruptly and like a dick, I haven’t slept very well and having some other issues. I’ll see if I can make more sense tomorrow, I do have more to say about this, but not enough energy etc lol
Perhaps my original comment was too doom, gloom and harsh. But you can’t really say the Euro car industry is doing well. VAG having factories running on minimum or not at all, lay offs, BMW shooting themself in the foot with all the subscription nonsense… And the price. That’s the big one. Obviously the cheaper chinese things are nastier than a high end BMW, obviously the chinese makers are subsidized by the government… but perhaps the Euro car makers should have lobbied their governments/EU to subsidize their EV production lines, instead of wasting time and effort on moving the 0 Carbon goalposts further away. Though I’ll admit that the EU was moronic with deciding that we should do that in the time window that they did, that whole thing was done ass backwards and on a too tight schedule.
The subsidies they do in China and USA are illegal in EU.
I agree on the subscription nonsense, but that VW group had to cut workers is a result of steep competition from China, and tariffs and other anti competitive messures in USA.
You simply can’t claim they dropped the ball, when they managed 50% market share for EV in EU, and managed to still turn a profit.
It’s not like everything stayed the same, and they lost money from making shitty products that customers don’t want.
I don’t really see anything in what you write, that validates saying they dropped the ball.
Being able to resist being squeezed from outside seems to me to be the opposite of dropping the ball.
No doubt almost all global car manufacturers will lose some market share to China, I don’t see any way around that. It seems many here on Lemmy, think that we should be able to stave off China completely, which is obviously completely unrealistic.
But I agree on subscription, and really hope the subscription model fails badly.
Intel tried something similar with their CPU business, and that failed completely.
For me it would be a major reason to hack my car. And get ALL the subscriptions for free.
Like I said, I was perhaps a bit too harsh with the original comment. I take back the dropping the ball part. I guess things are going well and good.
OK, I’ve just seen that criticism a lot. But it’s not all well and good if you are a European car maker, because as I mentioned, there is steep competition from China, and tariffs in USA.
So what I stated was that all things considered, they’ve done about as well as could be expected, and also as I mentioned, we will very likely see a couple of makers that simply can’t manage this increased competition and hostile markets in China and USA.
It is quite funny how I refreshed the page, saw this:
https://piefed.social/c/europe/p/1903466/its-stupid-why-western-carmakers-retreat-from-electric-risks-dooming-them-to-irrelevanc
and then saw a notification to your comment :D
Anyways, sorry that I ended the conversation abruptly and like a dick, I haven’t slept very well and having some other issues. I’ll see if I can make more sense tomorrow, I do have more to say about this, but not enough energy etc lol
OK, the content of the article isn’t news to me, but I’ll let it rest, so that you can rest. Sleep well.