“”““sideloading””“”, oh look who cant say installing software
I do not consider a win, and I will continue applying pressure where I can.
If antitrust was being enforced, Google execs wouldn’t even dream of attempting this bullshit.
Antitrust regulation is probably the easiest way to fix the biggest problems in our society, it is 100% bipartisan, and it is easy to explain to the average US voter. The only group that is against it is the billionaires/ultra wealthy. Instead, politicians are all hyperfocused on culture war mudslinging and bullshit that makes no difference.
Break up Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Meta (just to start), and watch how the tech industry explodes with innovation again, and the tech billionaire becomes an endangered species. The AI bubble will burst as companies actually need to compete to survive, and thus won’t be burning as much resources on crap that clearly doesn’t work.
the win in this is that many people realise how locked google has made android and how blatantly and arbitrarily google exerts their control over it. hopefully that will be input to some consumer decision (when sailfish becomes an alternative) and a tiny bit more people will consider their choice when getting a new phone. and maybe it also helps some regulation to be agreed (in europe, obviously).
Making users wait 24 hours doesn’t improve security; it’s an anti-competitive change designed to make the Google Play store seem like less of a hassle in comparison.
I can actually see where it can improve security against scammers trying to scam elderly and non-tech savvy people.
- Scammer tries to get someone to install malware from their site
- Victim isn’t familiar with sideloading, but scammer instructs them
- Victim hits the first time 24 hour block and has to restart and wait
- The restart alone breaks contact with the scammer, scam thwarted
For the rest of us that know our way around Android, it’s just a one time annoyance, after completing all the steps to enable sideloading, you won’t have to wait 24 hours anymore.
This is only the first step, they will keep adding more bullshit like this in the name of security till you end up with a device that’s nothing more than a advertisement terminal for google
Scammers almost always install remote desktop app from play store. This is just anti competitiveness…
Do not redeem
It’s going to be effective, but it’s a sad world where you have to create a total nanny state because there exist a subset of users who are INCREDIBLY stupid.
Is it still a subset when it’s the majority?
And to be honest, the level of effort scammers are willing to go through is shocking, and AI’s just making it easier for them.
Anything less than the whole is a subset, yes.
Strictly mathematically even the whole world is a subset of the whole world.
No we didn’t win. This is Google making it harder to install the programs you want, rather than the programs Google wants you to have.
Can someone please come out with a phone that’s an actual computer and help stop this nonsense?
Phones cost a lot of money at this point and I’m completely sick of them being some locked down, surveillance ridden pile of crap. A reasonably built one would be able to replace a laptop at this point if it weren’t for these artificial constraints imposed by the stupid fucking suits running things.
Valve should make a Linux phone. Smaller Steam Deck with a modem
I would LOVE a linux phone
There was an Ubuntu phone. It failed.
furilabs flx1s. I’m using one
Battery life is limited by cell modem drivers being closed source and having to be reverse engineered.
I have been looking into an alternate hybrid radio device using Reticulum. Though with that comes a new less convenient user experience for a lot of apps.
I like the idea of a continuum capable module desktop like canonical and Microsoft promised years ago.
dude. you can just install a custom rom.
Intentionally non-standard hardware does not get a real custom rom. It’s just a mod of Android which Google can render intentionally incompatible any time they want
not like linux phones are super compatible
As long as your phone model is supported by any custom mod. I have checked compatibility for almost all smartphones I owned, some 7 or 8 through the years.
Not a single one of them was ever supported by a custom mod.
but you did not check custom rom aupport before you bought tgem, cause did not want freedom and moddability. its on you.
I, as the owner of my device, don’t want to wait 24h.
I hope this will popularize the ROM community again. It gradually faded out due to mainstream ROMs having every perk of the custom ROMs but now the custom ROMs can start offering freedom, which no official ROM will offer.
I think the 24 hour wait is at least a sensible alternative. Anybody who’s going to be seriously installing apps on their devices like this is probably going to be using Lineage OS or Graphene OS or /e/OS or something like that anyway. And in that case, they will be using AOSP and not be subject to this because they’re not running a Google certified device.
While I’m not particularly happy about this change, I think it could be way worse.
Something tells me that Google drastically underestimated the amount of pushback they were going to get when they announced this. I mean, very drastically underestimated.
Nah, American companies cannot be relied upon by definition. Even if the people running one are fine (and many are), they are still based in what is essentially a pro-crime, pro-corruption jurisdiction.
It’s not side loading. It’s installing software on the device you probably paid multiple thousands for that you no longer own.
Multiple thousands!? My phone was like $250
not all people are americans
To call the install of apps of your choice as «sideloading», means that they have won.
That’s the name of the command, though. It’s
adb sideload. Anything else is installing.As someone else explained, it is not. The command is
adb install.Why did you feel the need to say it, too? You aren’t adding anything.
That’s not even true. If you install an app through adb, the command is
adb install <path/to/app.apk>adb sideload is for installing OTA packages
If the process doesn’t include any phone home stuff, and is just a one-time cool off period to prevent scammers, this is acceptable to me. That should be enough to get potential victims to self-question, ask more knowledgeable people of what’s going on to avoid being unknowingly hacked, without being naggy every time for users that want to do what they want.
Making a software “foolproof” will probably invent a bigger better fool, hoping for some sort of free crypto app jumping through these hoops, but this should weed out most of the basic scams.
It still sets your phone in a state that marks it as security compromised. This could lead i.e. to banking apps not working. I’m not so sure about the “acceptable” state of things here.
I don’t care if it’s android or anything else, the moment my phone does that is the moment I switch to something else.
What if both android and iOS do this?
Is there a non-lemmy.ml variant?
I mean it’s been around the longest and has the most subscribers. Most people only look at that, and I feel like arbitrarily splitting communities is actively harmful to the fediverse. Competing communities confuse and drive away new users.
lol one of the first things I read here, after making my account, was that everyone should block .ml apparently because communism? I dunno, its all very confusing and new for me.
Yeah people are weird about it. I’ve never had any systematic issue from .ml
