I got filtered by the combat in E33. I think the Mario RPG games have the right of it by only having one extra input for attacks. Going the Legend of Dragoon method of multiple inputs for every single attack and dodge is too tedious for me.
That’s actually why I love the combat. It was super addictive to me and it wouldn’t be the same if it were like Mario RPG where there aren’t really consequences for missing the timing, other than doing slightly less damage or taking slightly more.
I’ve played my fair share of turn based RPGs and I really appreciate the interactive element of e33. There’s tons of slower paced RPGs out there already so it felt new, even though it’s been done before.
Never enjoyed turn based combat either, but I’ve been playing baldur’s gate 3 and the story has pulled me through. I’ve actually started enjoying the combat.
Same for BG3, but I ended up liking the combat a lot. Going back to Pillars of Eternity afterwards felt bad 😅 but it’s a different kind of turn-based altogether, with positioning being extremely important
Ironically, you saying E33 has Legend of Dragoon style timing attacks just bumped it to the top of my “how have I not gotten around to playing this yet” list. LoD is one of my top RPGs of all time, and we are either blessed or cursed that we have not gotten a remake of it.
Eh… even 26 years ago the gimmick wore thin by the time you reached disc 3. A major distinction between the two is E33 kind of lives and dies by how well you dodge and parry. Unless you specifically build your party with huge HP pools (making every fight a long slog) there are a lot of attacks that just one-shot if they connect. This means in addition to timing inputs for all your own attacks you have to learn input timings for bosses and countless trash mobs.
A lot of them do that Elden Ring thing where the animators can’t help but sprinkle in some feints to trip you up.
I found the feints way more annoying in E33 than in Elden Ring. In ER they’re mostly found in bosses, but in E33 they’re pretty much everywhere, so even trash mobs can be tedious
I didn’t find it that difficult tbh, unless you really want it to be. A couple bosses were a bit much but it’s mostly a well balanced game. There’s also a story level difficulty where you don’t really need to worry about reflexes at all. At least that was my experience.
I usually play on expert now that I’m good at it, and I’m far from a pro gamer. I’m also in my 40s, so not super young or anything.
Overall it’s one the best RPGs I’ve played in a very long time. Imo it’s at least worth a shot with the 2 hour refund window on steam (or 30 days on gog).
Well that’s good to hear, thanks. Yes I’m probably going to give it a go at some point, when it’s on sale. The trailer and the soundtrack in the trailer has already kinda sold it to me. I’m just worried it’ll be too frustrating for me - I’m in my 50s so my reaction times aren’t what they were, plus my hands are wrecked. But I do want the experience.
Wow, yeah seems like we come from a similar place. my first machine was a Tandy trs80. My family couldn’t afford it, but someone as church (they were all about church) had one as a prestige thing, didn’t know what to do with it, and when we visited, toddler me figured out how to make smiley faces etc on the screen. So they lent it to us. At that time, as I’m sure you remember, computers were ‘the thing of the future’, and they wanted to encourage me.
Next someone gave me a ZX81 with a mighty 1k RAM. Couldn’t do much with that. But when the 48k Sinclair spectrum came out with its weird version of basic, I was right on track! Me and my little brothers, all of us under 10, going to the only shop in town that sold computer games. On cassette.
Then I got into the BBC B. That fucker was an amazing machine imo. Basic interpreter, but you could code in assembly and compile. What a learning tool. It was about then I started getting curious about AI and artificial life. When I was 14 I wrote a chat bot in turbo Pascal, that was supposed to learn from responses, build a database of associated nouns. Actually the grammar was the most challenging bit. Fuckin tight code too, if I do say so myself. It was the basis of my a level project in computing. I got a B, partly because the examiners couldn’t understand it, but partly TBF because it didn’t really work. Couldn’t pass the Turing test. Based on an Eliza, but I pushed for general.
Anyway, then I got into girls and drugs and now I empty dog shit bins in the parks for a living. Ho hum. Had a lot of fun tho so not complaining.
Haha, wild story! The 99/4A was made to program, but how could anyone with that keyboard. Next we got a PC, a monochrome Panasonic ‘laptop’ with 2 5 1/4 disk drives. A little bit of turtle there but I never really caught on and was mostly gaming.
And while others had the cool stuff like c64 and later Amiga we always only had a pc, but we know how that turned out.
Heh, I actually had an Amiga later on. My parents were proper broke, in hindsight they bought me computers when I was young because they prob thought I’d be a high earning computer guy someday. Didn’t turn out that way, but I was lucky. First computer I bought with my own money was a 386, I think it was 33mhz.
Yeah I remember those 5 &1/4 inch discs. I think they must be where the term ‘floppy disc’ comes from. Heh, lotsa ppl these days grew up on cloud storae
Yeah I was into gaming when I was a little kid (jet set willy on Lisa lot the spectrum!), then into coding, then into other shit for a long time. I’m only recently getting back into gaming again (got a steam deck a year ago)
And yeah, PC gaming. Ideally on 0linux - I’m not one of those linux evangelists but it’s less stress and I feel like games run better.
I’ve actually got a mate who has made a kind of music career using an Amiga. Like, it’s part of his setup just like the decks.
Thanks. That’s good to hear. Yeah I just gotta finish up baldur’s gate 3, then go back and finish control - then I really want to play this. The trailer and soundtrack look beautiful, and apparently the story holds up too. Yeah I’m gonna try it, just worried it’ll be frustrating - had a bunch of surgery on my right hand and it’s pretty fucked. But yeah, I do want to experience this.
I’m surprised that story mode didn’t help you that much. In my playtroughs it felt like the enemies did barely any damage on that difficulty even if I missed the qtes.
It’s been awhile, I’m not sure if there was a difficulty in between which 8 used. Doesn’t change much though since I only have issues with the qte style and still recommend the game.
They added an option in the accessibility settings to auto complete the QTEs on offense, fyi. It doesn’t help with dodging or countering unfortunately but it might be worth trying if you ever play it again.
I got filtered by the combat in E33. I think the Mario RPG games have the right of it by only having one extra input for attacks. Going the Legend of Dragoon method of multiple inputs for every single attack and dodge is too tedious for me.
That’s actually why I love the combat. It was super addictive to me and it wouldn’t be the same if it were like Mario RPG where there aren’t really consequences for missing the timing, other than doing slightly less damage or taking slightly more.
I’ve played my fair share of turn based RPGs and I really appreciate the interactive element of e33. There’s tons of slower paced RPGs out there already so it felt new, even though it’s been done before.
I never got very good at it. I feel like they were worried that not enough people enjoy turn-based combat these days and were trying to spice it up.
I love turn-based combat though and think it would’ve been just fine without the additions.
Well for me it’s the other way around. I can’t stand turn based combat, it’s an instant turn-off, but E33 spiced it up just enough for me to enjoy it
I’m sure you’re not alone in that, which means they knew what they were doing and probably made the right choice.
Never enjoyed turn based combat either, but I’ve been playing baldur’s gate 3 and the story has pulled me through. I’ve actually started enjoying the combat.
Same for BG3, but I ended up liking the combat a lot. Going back to Pillars of Eternity afterwards felt bad 😅 but it’s a different kind of turn-based altogether, with positioning being extremely important
I seem to only really like turn based when its simultaneous. Like paradox games, CDDA and dwarf fortress.
Ironically, you saying E33 has Legend of Dragoon style timing attacks just bumped it to the top of my “how have I not gotten around to playing this yet” list. LoD is one of my top RPGs of all time, and we are either blessed or cursed that we have not gotten a remake of it.
Eh… even 26 years ago the gimmick wore thin by the time you reached disc 3. A major distinction between the two is E33 kind of lives and dies by how well you dodge and parry. Unless you specifically build your party with huge HP pools (making every fight a long slog) there are a lot of attacks that just one-shot if they connect. This means in addition to timing inputs for all your own attacks you have to learn input timings for bosses and countless trash mobs.
A lot of them do that Elden Ring thing where the animators can’t help but sprinkle in some feints to trip you up.
I found the feints way more annoying in E33 than in Elden Ring. In ER they’re mostly found in bosses, but in E33 they’re pretty much everywhere, so even trash mobs can be tedious
That sounds awesome~
The DLC just cranks it up to a million. For full goof fun - I mean, for the challenge.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bdaCvVCn6vs
Yep, it’s fine for bossfights but ugh did it get tedious for every trash mob fight.
Also, accessibility should provide an option to ‘auto-win’ these. As a person with limited motor skills it was a huge pain.
Yeah, age has slowed my reaction time and I’ve not played this game yet because I’m not at all sure I’m up to it. Shame, because it sounds great.
I didn’t find it that difficult tbh, unless you really want it to be. A couple bosses were a bit much but it’s mostly a well balanced game. There’s also a story level difficulty where you don’t really need to worry about reflexes at all. At least that was my experience.
I usually play on expert now that I’m good at it, and I’m far from a pro gamer. I’m also in my 40s, so not super young or anything.
Overall it’s one the best RPGs I’ve played in a very long time. Imo it’s at least worth a shot with the 2 hour refund window on steam (or 30 days on gog).
I’d still recommend it. I’ve played it on easy and while it does not compensate this it is okay.
Well that’s good to hear, thanks. Yes I’m probably going to give it a go at some point, when it’s on sale. The trailer and the soundtrack in the trailer has already kinda sold it to me. I’m just worried it’ll be too frustrating for me - I’m in my 50s so my reaction times aren’t what they were, plus my hands are wrecked. But I do want the experience.
My fist console I had with my parents was the TI 99/4A, so… 😁
Wow, yeah seems like we come from a similar place. my first machine was a Tandy trs80. My family couldn’t afford it, but someone as church (they were all about church) had one as a prestige thing, didn’t know what to do with it, and when we visited, toddler me figured out how to make smiley faces etc on the screen. So they lent it to us. At that time, as I’m sure you remember, computers were ‘the thing of the future’, and they wanted to encourage me. Next someone gave me a ZX81 with a mighty 1k RAM. Couldn’t do much with that. But when the 48k Sinclair spectrum came out with its weird version of basic, I was right on track! Me and my little brothers, all of us under 10, going to the only shop in town that sold computer games. On cassette. Then I got into the BBC B. That fucker was an amazing machine imo. Basic interpreter, but you could code in assembly and compile. What a learning tool. It was about then I started getting curious about AI and artificial life. When I was 14 I wrote a chat bot in turbo Pascal, that was supposed to learn from responses, build a database of associated nouns. Actually the grammar was the most challenging bit. Fuckin tight code too, if I do say so myself. It was the basis of my a level project in computing. I got a B, partly because the examiners couldn’t understand it, but partly TBF because it didn’t really work. Couldn’t pass the Turing test. Based on an Eliza, but I pushed for general. Anyway, then I got into girls and drugs and now I empty dog shit bins in the parks for a living. Ho hum. Had a lot of fun tho so not complaining.
Haha, wild story! The 99/4A was made to program, but how could anyone with that keyboard. Next we got a PC, a monochrome Panasonic ‘laptop’ with 2 5 1/4 disk drives. A little bit of turtle there but I never really caught on and was mostly gaming.
And while others had the cool stuff like c64 and later Amiga we always only had a pc, but we know how that turned out.
Heh, I actually had an Amiga later on. My parents were proper broke, in hindsight they bought me computers when I was young because they prob thought I’d be a high earning computer guy someday. Didn’t turn out that way, but I was lucky. First computer I bought with my own money was a 386, I think it was 33mhz.
Yeah I remember those 5 &1/4 inch discs. I think they must be where the term ‘floppy disc’ comes from. Heh, lotsa ppl these days grew up on cloud storae
Yeah I was into gaming when I was a little kid (jet set willy on Lisa lot the spectrum!), then into coding, then into other shit for a long time. I’m only recently getting back into gaming again (got a steam deck a year ago)
And yeah, PC gaming. Ideally on 0linux - I’m not one of those linux evangelists but it’s less stress and I feel like games run better.
I’ve actually got a mate who has made a kind of music career using an Amiga. Like, it’s part of his setup just like the decks.
Just play it bro. Played on story mode and absolutely no regrets. The gameplay is almost entirely secondary to the real meat of the game, the story :o
Thanks. That’s good to hear. Yeah I just gotta finish up baldur’s gate 3, then go back and finish control - then I really want to play this. The trailer and soundtrack look beautiful, and apparently the story holds up too. Yeah I’m gonna try it, just worried it’ll be frustrating - had a bunch of surgery on my right hand and it’s pretty fucked. But yeah, I do want to experience this.
I’m surprised that story mode didn’t help you that much. In my playtroughs it felt like the enemies did barely any damage on that difficulty even if I missed the qtes.
It’s been awhile, I’m not sure if there was a difficulty in between which 8 used. Doesn’t change much though since I only have issues with the qte style and still recommend the game.
They added an option in the accessibility settings to auto complete the QTEs on offense, fyi. It doesn’t help with dodging or countering unfortunately but it might be worth trying if you ever play it again.
I think I recall that but it’s useless for my needs if it’s not also for defense. I could rant about this but it’s okay.
Fair enough.