cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/66087691
The International Olympic Committee will prohibit transgender athletes from participating in women’s sports, starting at the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
The new policy, approved by the IOC’s executive committee Thursday, requires all athletes to undergo a genetic test to compete in women’s sporting events at the Olympics.
The reasons we separate sports by gender are and have always been stupid
Probably will be downvoted into oblivion but I’m going to disagree with you. The trans argument is a separate one but having some sex separated sports absolutely makes sense. There are undeniable biological differences physically between biological males and females. Height and weight class would make 0 sense because bone and muscle density is still different, and distributed differently as an aggregate. I think most people who say this stuff don’t actually play sports.
I think people who say things like this don’t actually know any post- or even mid-transition people.
I don’t think you actually read my comment fully or you would know that I wasn’t talking about trans athletes at all really. Respectfully read carefully before having a knee jerk reaction. Also for the record (although the I have {insert marginalized group here} friends card is stupid) one of my closest friends in college who was alsomy roommate was trans…
Dumb
“Biological males and females” are words that, right or wrong, have flown forth along with a great deal of spittle from the mouth of a transphobe in an effort to strip even more rights from trans people. After all, are trans people not biological? Biological women and synthetic women?
You’re gonna be downvoted because you’ve put zero thought or effort into your argument. There are undeniable physical differences between humans regardless of dominant sex hormone, separating sports by gender necessarily forces members of both groups to compete against people that they don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of beating. Tall women have a massive advantage over short men and short women, the smart thing to do is let people compete with other people that are actually physically comparable. Tiny men vs tiny women is fair, giant women vs giant men is fair. The bone/muscle density thing is bullshit, simple as.
Do you have a source about the bone/muscle density thing being bullshit?
I noticed you told another commentor “anything is possible when you make shit up” so we really should be backing things we say up with sources in that case, right?
Do you have a source for it being true? Nobody else here does
Yes in provided you multiple sources in other comments.
I notice you haven’t provided a SINGLE ONE.
You want a source proving that women can compete with comparably sized men? Here, cry about it
Ah yes a highly trained professional athlete beating up a guy who drinks and does drugs for the entire series.
This makes all the scientific papers cited not true?
Also I love how “that study is only 16 people you MORON! Here’s a source form a show called jackass with TWO people”
Professional athlete vs professional athlete, drinking in his free time doesn’t change that, the “scientific papers” you’re pushing were always bullshit
The second half of that really sounds like a kink thing.
Weird thing to say/think
This site is absolutely cooked sometimes.
In most sports, men have an advantage due to physical size, it’s why sports often have a women’s and an open category.
Creating meaningful competition is why we have these categories.
Advantage based on physical size is resolved by separating competitors based on size, not gender, fucking duh
Except that studies show that outof men and women of the same exact size women are 52% as strong as men in the upper body and 66% as strong as men in the lower body.
Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8477683/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37772882/
He’s from ML, poor chap. Facts just confuse them.
Oh yeah I love when they get all frustrated when you cite sources and then just tell you your sources are dogshit and then never provide one single source themselves.
Not even a half baked attempt at a source. Not even a source from someones personal blog or a YouTube video or a tiktok which of course are all terrible sources but they can’t even produce THAT! its wild to see.
No joke, after I typed this the person linked a YouTube clip from Jackass as their source. Lmfao
Edit: Now he’s accusing me of running your account as an alt. That’s like dangerous levels of delusion. This person is actually mentally unwell.
You’re losing and you know it
By you posting a YouTube video and telling me all scientificly cited sources are bullshit?
Oh yeah you showed me, that you are a dense person who doesn’t listen to science.
Lol try harder halfwit
Learn to read
The link you posted doesn’t say anything you’re claiming, you’re bad at this
Thus, for athletic events and sports relying on endurance, muscle strength, speed, and power, males typically outperform females by 10%-30% depending on the requirements of the event.
Here’s the source that has the exact measurements for upper and lower body differences which is the one I referenced in the original comment
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8477683/
Its ok to disagree with the reality to that if you want to. But it isn’t ok to accuse others of “making shit up” when it is you who is making shit up. I haven’t seen you cite one single source
Sample size of 16 lol, you fucking moron
So if those results are apparent even from as low as 8 men and 8 women what makes you think that gives it any less weight or makes it any less true?
Also, the other sources have a larger sample size and all say the same thing.
Man as long as it took you to type out “you fucking moron” in response to me you could have already cited a source!
We are in the interest of not “making shit up” after all aren’t we?
You are scientifically illiterate, your source is dogshit, you are doing a better job of destroying your own credibility better than I could ever hope to. Thank you!
You’d think it’d be by weight or some other performance metric with women dominating at the lighter end of the spectrum.
There are smaller amd lighter men. They will be stronger and faster than equally sized or even slightly larger women of similar body sizes. The body simply grows differently.
Then they have successfully found where they rank in a mixed field.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
What’s your source that its made up?
Because the same exact medical science that gives you HRT is supporting what he is saying.
Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3189615/
Nothing in this agrees with what you’re saying, you are either genuinely illiterate or a profoundly incompetent liar, embarassing either way
They do exactly this in boxing, and probably other fighting sports.
The thing is, people tend to take up sports their body type is suited to, so short people don’t tend to play a sport where being tall is an advantage for long.
Short people don’t generally play basketball because nobody organizes leagues into separate categories by height, if you did they would
Sure bud.
Good one
Height & weight would make more sense, yeah
People tend to take up sports they’re suited to though, and nobody wants to watch a bunch of shortasses doing a sport badly. At least not at the Olympics.
Being built suboptimally for a sport doesn’t mean that you’d be bad at the sport. The skills you develop would still be there and be equally impressive on anyone.
One of the things I find so fascinating about powerlifting is how the technique varies as you go across weight classes. It becomes a whole different game for people with different bodies. I’d love to see all the different ways that other sports can be played too.
Basing the rules of competetive sports on what the audience wants is fucking moronic, make the rules fair and logical and if the viewers don’t like it they can get off the couch and go play sports about it
You do understand that professional sport relies on sponsorship, which in turn relies on people watching?
People will watch it either way, sponsors will pay either way, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about
You’re making a lot of outlandish claims with no proof bud.
There’s a lot of competition for watch time these days.
Lol pure projection, try harder