first its TF2 now the whole internet
Bollocks, respectfully, bollocks.
Internet from the very conception was built around automation and bots. What wasn’t built around bots is advertising. Quoting this article:
The internet was architected around […] entire world of digital advertising
It only causes problems for big advertisers. Google, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit etc. because if there is one thing advertisers hate more than adBlock is the idea that their clients will stop believing that ads are shown to real humans. Push for digital-ID is not to protect children, it is just another push to convince dumb shareholders that advertising online is still perfectly viable.
The internet wasn’t built for bots though? It was a way to connect universities to make it easier to share research and information and make it robust enough that it could function if some nodes were lost. Never have a heard automation was a foundational part of it.
I would take it a step further and say internet was never built for corporations. It was always intended to be a place where scientists share research, talk about star trek, and do drugs.
So wait the scientists would be doing drugs and talking about Star Trek while sharing research?
We really did fuck up the timeline, didn’t we?
Kind of like how our highways weren’t meant for hundreds of thousands of semi trailers on them every day, but we just keep jamming more fucking trucks on the road. Humans will just overdo something until there is a catastrophic failure, sometimes they keep doing it after that.
Tragedy of the commons.
Safety laws are written in blood. Because it’s unprofitable to prevent disasters before they happen…
when will my llms start causing bloodshed I wonder 😢
But look at them over regulate and red-tape anything that could possibly maybe harm their profits by actually innovating and improving quality… Working in biotech and knowing we could fix a lot of the issues with world hunger and vaccines by using tech we already know is safe but is barred from use because established companies would not profit as much is infuriating…
Can you provide an example, please.
The “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” mentality.
Even if it’s broke, wait until it’s financially untenable to ignore it.
I think it’s a disturbing function of human group behavior. One human can be smart. Humans en masse seem to groupthink ourselves into self-affirming decisions
We thought the fauna of the plains of Africa were so plentiful they could never go extinct, until we drove a number of them to extinction
We thought the ocean was so vast that the solution to pollution was dilution, until we created garbage islands and watched corals die off
We thought we were too small to affect the global climate, until we started watching anthropogenic climate change.
We just never fucking learn.
Yeah I’m not sure exactly what the solution is since it’s obviously a problem that has plagued mankind since the beginning. We’ll figure it out some day, or not.
Funny, I’d rather have more trailers and leave the roads to them and make sure people have good transport like subways, rails, etc. you’re always going to have a last-mile issue you can’t solve with mass transit so that works better for me.
I’d rather all the cargo moved by rail. Trains can be automated way better than a truck and the efficiency is enormous for longhaul.
And last mile how?
And last mile how?
Progressively smaller gauge railways, until your Amazon parcel arrives via a 1-inch track on the regular 3.15pm service from the end of your street.
This is the way
You know what?
I’d love to hear a little “toot-toot!” and have a little train pull up outside my window, with my parcel on a carriage behind it.
Trebuchets.
Cake buddy!
Are you suggesting the entire long haul freight infrastructure should be designed around the “last mile”?
Ebikes
I just bought an e-scooter and it comes later this week. I am so stoked to be able to get around a little easier.
bikes delivering scooters delivering skateboards delivering rollerblades delivering heelies
Exactly! The trucks aren’t the issue with the roads, it’s the amount of cars due to overpriced and underperforming public transport.
Yeah, I would rather that too honestly, it makes a lot more sense, but I suppose my main point was they should be on a separate system than commuters, whatever that may :)
Imagine it. A million robots ragebaiting, trolling, misinforming humans and other robots alike. A constant hum of PC components just out there spewing shit.
I can’t wait for the bot bubble to burst when these mega corporations end up spending more money on bots and losing revenue trying to pander to a non existent consumer base.
The fact that Usenet still gets a steady stream if spam tells me the bots will continue even when all the people leave.
ID verification is a way to prevent this. I guess that partially is why corporations are pushing it.
2016 you mean?
This is, consequently, also why all these AI companies are talking about selling computers to agents now. Its obvious the math doesn’t work when an agent costs more than a person does.
… but if agents were selling agents to agents while agenting… the math works similarly to company n increasing its market cap exponentially by “investing” in another company… o which promises really hard to invest that back in company n…
Look: its totally logical and all of this makes perfect sense. 🫧
This is such a dumb reference, but I cannot believe MumboJumbo’s current "mini"game project kind of perfectly predicted this… Bots trading to bots who are trading to bots all to boost the economy while the people are either starving to death within the system they robbed from us or living in the fringes and scrapping by
Theres a certain amount of inevitability in this… If its expected every single quarter you somehow produce better numbers than your last numbers… you are incentivised to make the sand castle taller by digging around its foundation spill more on the top. This applies to not only individual companies but the market at large - its practically fractal in nature.
Most of the market by now is aware AI and its promises are bullshit. Its just about passing that hot potato nuke around until it explodes. Nobody is worried about each pass making it a bigger bomb… they’re worried about not being the guy holding it when it blows.
Venture capital?! Is that you?
I thought this already happened in 2024 or 2025, there is report here: https://www.imperva.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/reports/2025-Bad-Bot-Report.pdf
Also, are we counting number of users, like a human vs a machine doing http calls? I believe we are right?
Because there is the other metric: traffic. Traffic the interenet was also not built for, Video streaming. Which accounts for somewhere between 65 to 80 percent of all internet traffic depending on who you ask. Which makes me wonder how much data is just moving around that humans requested once (or not at all, like auto play) plus cloud server syncing - one drive, google drive, back end data, usenet, torrents, etc.
Seems like the machines have taken over the internet that used to be our mail and chats. And usenet. Sweet usenet.
To be honest it was always the case, because the internet was built for this
The World Wide Web was never built for this, the Internet is just the physical network that connects it and everything else that’s online.
Good sir! Per chance do you Arch btw?
Still can’t find this mystical BTW version of Arch
pacman -Sy greypoupon
I use regular arch
You didn’t say “Um, Actually”
!dropout@lemmy.blahaj.zone is over this way :)
The filthy rich destroy everything they touch.
Its a shame people haven’t realized how few of them there are and how much better things would be if they… just … you know. Weren’t.
Meanwhile they are building bunkers and installing more surveillance we are paying for. The mind boggles at the trajectory we are on.
About a third of people know that. Another third were convinced that “their” billiinaire can fix things, as long as he gets just a little more power. The lasy third doesn’t want to hear about politics.
add rogue AIs, datakrash from cyberpunk and we’re golden!
seriously though, i want a seperate internet with strict no AI policy, maybe even a wall called Blackwall…
Obligatory clanker hate speech comment
Dead internet theory goes
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Is it a theory if it’s proven? I guess gravity, relativity, etc are factual even if they are theories.
Could’ve taken 2 minutes to look up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
I guess your parents are definitely siblings.
FACEBOOK largely is mostly AI for a while, they banned/ required too many of actual users to give more personal data. REDDIT is very close second to facebook. bots on yt is a little unusual, its mostly revolves around anti-woke mysgoyny, or trying to act/claim like the actual celebritiy account.
You don’t think most comments on YT are bots? I honestly hope they are or people are just dumber/shittier than I thought.
I suppose once the pillaging of everything they can train on is over, it will calm down a bit. But maybe I’m naïve on that front…
AI is already training on slop, because it can’t tell its own excrement from actual human creativity.
Isn’t AI training on itself a well known thing to avoid ? If I remember correctly the “” performance “” goes to shit very quickly when you train a model on it’s own output.
I doubt serious AI actors will make that mistake.
But on its own, the way they just opened their torrent client and started downloading made me furious.
In France you can still get caught downloading illegally and it can have serious consequences. But for AI businesses, copyright holders seem to look the other way. Businesses have extra rights to citizens and it’s completely unfair.
AI developers might be smart enough to filter their own output, but AI training is still taking in output from their competitors’ models, usually without realizing it.
I read carefully this article but I think it is not about the issue I was mentioning.
I was talking about “model collapse” and this seems rather about multiple models training on similar datasets (shared learning ressources).
Yeah, I think we’re talking about the same thing. I thought the article I linked was the one I had read about model inbreeding, but now that I look at it a bit closer, it’s probably the product of model inbreeding itself. ;) I thought there was an article published this year about the problem, but now I can’t find it to save myself. It’s possible that I’m hallucinating. My memory is worse than ChatGPT’s.
In ten years English will be so sycophantic that conversations will span days.
It’ll be like the Ents gathering.
