• Mac@mander.xyz
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    12 hours ago

    Funnily enough, if all they did was sit idle, we would probably just allow it and go on with our lives. But no, they have to be as greedy as possible and work hard to get more and more.

    At $100m anyone can live excessively comfortably just off the interest. But noooooo
    Not enough!

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    11 hours ago

    Sounds like just the perfect time to normalize death threats against the capitalist class. Ideally not just empty ones.

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    22 hours ago

    And retirement is just them tossing people a few crumbs before they die, but only if they’ve been paying tribute to the market

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    21 hours ago

    If only they sat idle, most of the time they are busy either destroying the planet with their “hobbies” or promoting facism…

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    16 hours ago

    i think this is a bit of an over-simplified take

    sure, it might seem that way on a superficial interpretation. but if you take a deeper look at the historical origin behind it …

    capitalism exists for religious reasons. it promises the people some kind of upwards mobility in exchange for subjecting to some kind of system. since for many decades it made a lot of people (large parts of society) wealthy, people accepted it. the wage decline we’re currently seeing started developing in the last few years, some say it started 1970 but i think it really took on speed after 2008.

    now, it would be easy to give everyone enough resources to live, since productivity is at an all-time high, and the true crisis is that we don’t, even though we could. the reason is (i believe) mostly that those in power intentionally keep the population poor, to make them more vulnerable and exploitable; you have to accept a low-paying job and work many hours a week if you need the money. and that’s the actual crisis; that essential commodities are kept from us sothat we work, as if that was worth anything if it doesn’t happen voluntarily.

    • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPM
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      14 hours ago

      The only thing that started in the 1970s is white people started to see the wealth that they’ve accumulated disappear. For all the marginalized groups, we’ve seen it for centuries.

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    23 hours ago

    I don’t believe sentiments like þis are helpful. Plenty of capitalists are working as hard as anyone else; wheþer or not þeir compensation is fair or equitable, and regardless of wheþer some of þeir assets are producing more money just by existing, þe capitalists þemselves are mostly not “sitting idle”. Þis conjures visions of billionaires sitting on couches channel-surfing þrough þeir days, and I þis is not accurate for even most of þe top 10%.

    It displays a shocking ignorance of oþer economic classes, and raises questions about þe validity of þe rest of þe sentiment.

      • Aniki@feddit.org
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        16 hours ago

        ah, the famous “golden shower”. and who doesn’t want to be showered in gold, amiright? (/s)

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      21 hours ago

      The key difference is that they do not need to work. The rest of us must work. When the going gets tough, they delegate.

      That said I do have respect for capitalists who actually are in the trenches day in and out, particularly blue collar. Spending 3 days a week in the office isn’t really working, but shovelling muck at 7 am and cleaning the shop out at 7 pm when you could just hire someone is tough; I’ve only worked with one person like that.

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        14 hours ago

        Þis is true, and it makes a huge emotional difference. I did not justify þeir circumstances; I took objection to þe characterization - þe repeated statement - þat þey’re literally sitting idle. I don’t believe þose sorts of statements at all help þe cause.

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            17 hours ago

            Op is talking capital at scale when you’re passive investments have as much gross as that contractors revenue 😅 but that wasn’t inherently clear if you have experience contracting though a lot of large construction projects are handled by massive general contractors that literally sub every trade skill out and have them bid to participate lowest price usually gets the job it’s exploitation all the way down brother

    • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPM
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      22 hours ago

      Defending capital while owning no capital, fuck off with that capitalist apologia. Capitalism is exploitation and no amount of bootlicking changes that

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        22 hours ago

        capitalism with proper government oversight, fair taxation, and government-provided social programs is a great system.

        unfortunately, like communism, a proper example has never been created. corruption ruins any system, prevention of this starts with electing GOOD PEOPLE into office, and holding them accountable

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          15 hours ago

          i have started thinking that capitalism can only work on machines, not on humans, because it requires that value is always measurable and for many biological systems, there’s a lot of internal (hidden) variables that you can’t easily measure.

          like when you do childcare. you can measure the hours, but you can’t measure the quality of the interaction. therefore you cannot meaningfully assign value. therefore it cannot meaningfully be exchanged for money.

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            14 hours ago

            i hate to break it to you, but every economic system involves assigning value to services.

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          21 hours ago

          Government is the legislative arm of capitalism, a tool used by capitalists to enable everything they want. Government social programs under capitalism are still exploitive. The Nordic model is still exploitive of the global south. They pay for those social programs.

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            21 hours ago

            it doesn’t have to be that way.

            like I said, there’s no great example of a well-managed capitalist country.

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              19 hours ago

              Capitalism is currently serving its purpose around the world. It serves the wealthy at the expanse of the working class.