I mean let’s look at the data suggesting “no”:

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  • no contraceptive less effective contraceptives means greater chance of pregnancy, so sex is less common from the get-go
  • no mass-produced lubes or oils if you’re into that, or benefit from it.
  • Lower Quality beds, and no beds if you go back far enough
  • Oh yeah, gay sex was literally illegal for most of recorded history.
  • patriarchy and presumably low discussion about how to improve sex for all participating parties.
  • Most people slept in the same room as their children a long time ago, so they would presumably do-the-nasty while their children were present and could hear/see.

But, arguments in favour of ‘yes’?

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  • Kids had to work and could wander around more in villages, meaning husband and wife might be able to go at it during the day time in an unoccupied house (some people get to achieve this today with intricate planning)
  • that gritty period-drama vibe makes all things sexier.
  • Use of words like “ravish”
  • uh-oh, guess I’m out of stuff!

What do you all think?

  • nerv@fedinsfw.app
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    1 month ago

    Let me help you with this, as someone who grew up surrounded by older people and likes to read on sexual history.

    • less effective contraceptives

    A classic was the pull out method but, at large, women also kept a mental log of their cycle and knew the safer days. Menstrual and anal sex were more common practices than most suspect.

    A curious thing I had to learn in my life: daily encounters acidify vaginal fluids, which is not a good thing for sperm. More sex can actually act as a mild contraceptive.

    • lubes

    Olive oil. Coconut oil. Various oils from various seeds and plants. In a pinch? Even butter was fair game.

    • comfort

    I like my comfort but I like my poon. If available and willing, if there is an oportunity, there is an event.

    Remember that sex for pleasure, as we understand it today, only appears when we overcome the reproductive imperative.

    As a species, we should be thanking every single day mother nature and women for evolving a pleasure oriented phisiology. Boobs have no need for being permanently enlarged. The clitoris exists solely for sexual pleasure. Women are permanently sexually available, even when pregnant; no estrous, no heat cycle.

    What is comfortable for one is unappealing for another.

    • gay relations

    Same sex sexual activity has been a thing probably since mammals exist. There are plenty records of homosexual behaviour throughout history. Did it made sense for societies at large try to repress it? Yes. Infant and general mortality was high for a long period of time. Individuals not producing offspring would be detrimental for the tribe. But was that enough to cull it? No. Greeks almost made it an institution. In feudal Japan, it was well accepted for soldiers to engage in homosexual relationships, that would cease in times of peace. Cultures that kept harems often had all-female and all-male ones. The romans had male prostitutes, for male costumers.

    The “modern” understanding and view of homosexuality stems mostly from religious precepts of abrahamic origin. And puritanism.

    Strangely enough, female homosexual behaviour tended to be overlooked.

    • patriarchy

    Ah, what a sad lovely notion.

    Yes, sadly, it is a well proven fact that women have been treated like property for most of human history. But it is often overlooked that this also created a shadow society where males were not allowed, protected by taboos and social norms. The more rigid the separation of roles, the more a separate culture would flourish.

    The most hilarious example of how rigid societies crumble under their own weight? For centuries, it was a sin for a catholic man not to pleasure his wife (or mistress, concubine, etc) because otherwise could compromise conception.

    Women, regardless of this, have been more powerful throughout history than aknowledged. Personally, I think the current understanding of how things happened in the past still passes through the lenses of 1800’s views.

    • adults adultins

    Kids saw animals rut in the field and easily made the inference something similar happened between adults. Sex was not public nor for show to children but it was considered a more integral part of everyday life.
    How many recounts of people inadvertently peeking on their parents or adults being together exist on record and how it influenced their blooming as adults? Not few. It wasn’t about violence or abuse or suffering; those exist too but are considerably fewer and far between. It was about pleasure and intimacy and adulthood.

    What modelled our current view on sex was not based on how peasants took to it but how the upper classes did. We’d be more at ease in a upper class home from the 1800’s than we’d be in a rural house of country workers. We emulated the upper class living manners and standards, as it was seen as better. More comfortable, no challenge on that, better is a subject for discussion. Upper classes tended to be more closed regarding sex and sexuality because there was an image, proper, to maintain. The peasants were rude, unsophisticated. Well, the peasants were having fun, while the rich people were developing manias and paranoias. Need a fetish? Go talk with a rich person.

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    1 month ago

    There are a few flaws with your assumptions about historical life. The period drama is a pretty good pun, if intended.

    Mainly the children having to work elsewhere is pretty tied to the industrial age. Most likely they did work quite close to house. And the house would be not very much more than a single room where dinner was made, housework was done and sleeping for all family members. This wasn’t very conductive for sexy times.

    But situations varied so widely that it’s very hard to generalize.

    But biologically not very much has changed. Life uhh finds a way. The sexual act would be pretty similar and enjoyable. If you don’t know about new inventions or scientific insights you wouldn’t really miss them.

    Our understanding of hygiëne has made us a overly scared of microbes. People have been doing mostly fine with only practical understanding. Napoleon would instruct his lover not to bathe a he found her smell arousing, maybe us showering daily has taken something away.

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    1 month ago

    I don’t know, but I would like to know when the first instance there was of someone seeing a dick and thinking, ‘you know what, imma suck that all the way to the balls’ was

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    I’m going to guess no, overall, though I’m sure there are times and societies where there were exceptions to that.

    For many of the reasons you listed, and also less ease of access to cleaning oneself both before and after. And I’m guessing on average, it’s gotten a lot better for women especially, what with people y’know, acknowledging they can cum too.

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    A funny thing about the modern conception of history is that just your average citizen of most empires or even a medieval peasant likely worked less than you, had more holidays and festivals than you, enjoyed greater freedom of movement than you, and had better sex than you, but if you depicted that in fiction people would say it was unrealistic.