Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728
Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.
In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.
Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated
i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it
That’s why I left. Its such a weird authoritarian way of dealing with stuff. Just ban everything and everyone you don’t agree with. Also make it a collective punishment while we’re at it…
Just ban everything and everyone you don’t agree with.
They were specific about what they didn’t agree with: Authoritarianism.
And if they don’t want to tolerate guests from an instance that allows Zionism, then good. Any feddit.org members who think their admins’ permissiveness is tolerable are complicit in the promotion of Zionism, even if they aren’t intentionally complicit. Yes, hanging around with pro-genocide people should earn punishment, such as ostracization until they stop hanging around pro-genocide people. It’s a social media account on the Fediverse, switching isn’t difficult.
We did the same thing to Wolfballs, until their admin closed the instance because it was filled with literal neo-Nazis calling the admin a ‘race-traitor’. Tolerating every belief is utopian, pointless and self-destructive.
Basically, when you tolerate the intolerant, tolerance dies. You need social rules to maintain the order, that means some beliefs need to be culled by kicking out or silencing those who are dangerous.
They really lost the plot when they joined the tankie triad.
How can it be a triad if there are 4 🤓
dont send me selfies
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lol so you join the place with the social credit score
What is that?
piefed.social keeps a hidden trust score that goes down when people do stuff the piefed dev personally doesn’t like. there was recently a bunch of drama about it
Jesus fuck.
It’s literally just a number admins can use to sus out if a user might potentially be a toll. It’s basically reddit karma but hidden from everyone but admins.
.ml users tried to make it a big deal because people were leaving lemmy for PieFed.
Reddit Karma is not good, I don’t want a Karma system on the Fediverse. That was one of the worst things about Reddit. Karma is essentially ass-kissing points, you get them for kissing ass, and you loose them for making people butt-hurt.
I can’t support that, it creates nasty psychological patterns that make people prone to siding with popularity and not with what’s right.
You dont have a karma system on the fediverse, only admins can see it.
Individuals dont know what their score is, there is no benefit to them trying to farm it because they cant see or use it. There is no psychological pattern formed because its an admin only tool.
This is the most overblown criticism of piefed around.
Dang and I just made this account too. Time to find a new instance… Any recommendations? How is lemmy.today?
This whole process has looked sus to me. And on top of that, I don’t think voting by up/downvoting the post itself is a good way to call votes — it means a minority can pass a rule without it being even seen by the majority (not sure that matters in this case). Voting should be done in a top-level comment.
- it means a minority can pass a rule without it being even seen by the majority
Why do you think that?
People might not see the stickied post, for whatever reason. I’m mostly on X hours top, which hides the thread if older than X hours. Or someone could just not use Lemmy for a week. There is no notification or similar, no email alert.
I would argue that this would be the minority of users, not the majority.
Notice how the ragebait, communication destroying comments and got’chas are coming from a handful of users in this thread (Cowbee, Riverside, etc.) Ask yourself why they would want to separate the left and who benefits from that.
Edit: ah and like clockwork, the “I now want to communicate reasonably” spiel. Not falling for that one.
Wow seems like all the bad actors got caught by this.
Notice how the criticisms are based on a fundamental lie: that feddit.org is a zionist instance. Without that lie all of the agitators “arguments” crumble to the sad leftist-dividing dust that they are.
Calling for death to nations (and their civilians) is a call for genocide. I hope non-extremists can see that.
Also, as a tip: don’t answer the trolls and agitators. Leave them hanging, screaming into the wind.
Defending pissrael is zionism. Anything short of “Death to pissrael” is zionism. Sorry I don’t make the rules, I merely enforce them.
The soyjack “I was just following orders” vs the chad
Sorry I don’t make the rules, I merely enforce them.
cops under a DotB vs cops under a DotP
Notice how the criticisms are based on a fundamental lie: that feddit.org is a zionist instance.
Well, I think this is where the “Nazi Bar” metaphor comes into play. I think its defensible for db0 to clearly say, and they had a debate, provided evidence, etc…, that feddit.org clearly has a Zionist problem. We could argue with their process, evidence etc… but we can’t disagree that they did have a process, provided evidence, etc…
Calling for death to nations (and their civilians) is a call for genocide. I hope non-extremists can see that.
I mean isn’t that the point? Feddit is turning a blind eye to this when it comes from a specific, narrow ideological group. The argument being made is that Feddit is either defending or turning a blind eye to one specific group of people who are ideological advocates for genocide because they do it on behalf of Israel.
And to be clear and I’ve said this elsewhere. I don’t think you leave a Nazi (in this metaphor, Zionists) bar to the Nazis. If you find out that a group of Nazi’s walked into the bar you are in, you collect your group of friends at your table, and you walk over and start a fight. Don’t give them an inch.
I think the argument here is that if you don’t want to be known as a instance supporting genocide and fascism, you have some work to do.
You’re not a leftist.
If you allow people defending a supermasist ideology like zionism than you are a zionist bar simple as that
Notice how the criticisms are based on a fundamental lie: that feddit.org is a zionist instance. Without that lie all of the agitators “arguments” crumble to the sad leftist-dividing dust that they are.
“They’re not zionist, they just defend Israel’s right to exist.”
They are zionists and so are you. You’re also a dishonest coward who replies to people through edits and hopes they don’t notice. Death to “Israel” and death to the Federal Republic of Germany.
Edit:
Calling for death to nations (and their civilians) is a call for genocide. I hope non-extremists can see that.
Also, as a tip: don’t answer the trolls and agitators. Leave them hanging, screaming into the wind.
You are literally answering me, lmao. Well, not really, you’re actually replying to things I didn’t say.
Can you elaborate on how I’m doing “ragebait” or posting “communicatuon destroying comments and got’chas?” I oppose Zionism, I think that’s fairly clear.
Response to your edit: I have always done my best to communicate reasonably. What I find happening frequently is when the rare person claims I am being dishonest or not genuine, upon confrontation they simply ignore what I have to say, or answer in a snide half-response like this one.
Response to yet another edit:
Notice how the criticisms are based on a fundamental lie: that feddit.org is a zionist instance. Without that lie all of the agitators “arguments” crumble to the sad leftist-dividing dust that they are.
Feddit.org harbors Zionism at the admin-level. The criticisms are indeed based on the idea that Feddit.org is a Zionist bar, and simply calling that a lie doesn’t debunk that.
Calling for death to nations (and their civilians) is a call for genocide. I hope non-extremists can see that.
Also, as a tip: don’t answer the trolls and agitators. Leave them hanging, screaming into the wind.
Equating the state of Israel and its right to exist with preventing genocide of Israelis is Zionism. Calling us trolls, and saying we are doing “ragebait” and “got’chas” while you quite literally are doing that right here and now is peak hypocricy.
You are literally the most reasonable communicator on the fediverse, lmao.
Thanks! What’s funny is I’ve seen these “edit responses” before, people don’t expect to be questioned on statements they make about others by the people in question, I suppose.
