I posted a similar topic early today but worded it wrong that was my mistake. I’m genuinely curious how people have reached to this point and what they hope to achieve after. I understand getting rid of AI/LLM is the obvious one. What do you think we should do to get to that goal or your personal goal.

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    Even if it is just a blip on the radar compared to energy that is used to survive, it is still more load that comes on top of current usage

    You aren’t allowed to be this upset about AI power usage while at the same time almost completely accepting the individual choices you’re making to waste 100s of times more power. There’s a term for this, Hypocrite.

    The scales you’re suggesting are just not even close to each other. We could build 10x more AI datacenters, and we (the population of the world) would still end up saving significantly more energy by eating meat one fewer day per week and eating vegetarian that day instead. I’m not even kidding.

    The things we could do by adjusting our diets, choosing more appropriate housing sizes, cohabitating more, walking, biking, public transit. Individually every single one of those dwarfs the amount of energy used by AI by orders of magnitude.

    It’s the equivalent of yelling at your kid for leaving the LED bulb on in their bedroom all day, when you drove them to school and picked them up and it’s only a mile away. One driving trip, one day, uses more energy than that bulb does if left on all year.

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      I am not ‘allowed to be upset’? Lol, ok. Sounds like you see youself as some sort of moral police.

      Call me a hypocrite if it makes you feel better but you are just skirting my point that the energy usage of AI is something that is unnecessary, just like the glowing LED lightbulb in your empty kitchen.

      This makes you come across as either daft, or as someone who argues in bad faith.

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        5 days ago

        Ever heard the saying “Penny Shy and Pound Foolish”

        It’s literally what you’re doing right now.

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          I did, but please, enlighten me on the foolishness that you see here.

          As I did write, I do agree that we as a species need to be more sustainable. But please give me one reason why wasting even more energy on AI is in any way shape or form benefitial.

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            You are trying to pinch a penny (reduce the power usage for something absolutely tiny) while ignoring your own choices that cause much larger wastes (large detached houses, car culture, meat heavy diets)

            If you can’t understand how that’s a problem, your education has failed you.

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              I think you need to blame your own education, as you cannot seem to have much reading comprehension.

              Additionally, you seem hellbent on defending AI without even highlighting its uses, while loading blame on humanity as a whole.

              Can our choices help reducing energy usage? And should we tackle those issues? Absolutely!

              Is the additional energy usage of AI worth it? Absolutely not!

              But I don’t have the time nor the crayons necessary to explain you the world, so let us part ways with the understanding that different people have different views on the topic.

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                It’s fine, I’m just going to take advantage of you using AI. You’re clearly going to fall for that given that logic doesn’t matter to you at all.