It’s not easy. The oversimplification here is absolutely off the wall. You don’t know their situation, so saying “just leave” in the most blasé way possible because you were lucky enough for it to be easy for you is borderline insulting. Family, pets, financial situation, medical situation, and so many other factors play a role in why someone can’t up and leave. It costs a lot to immigrate and move thousands of miles away. Not to mention language barriers.
In my work I meet a lot of immigrants. I have infinite respect and admiration for them, because I realize how hard it is to leave your home country to begin a new life, starting from nothing in a society that isn’t always the most welcoming.
But all of them chose to leave everything because they thought the challenges they faced in their new country were worth it, and their children would have a better future there.
So yeah. It’s hard to emigrate, but if you choose not to, that’s still a choice.
Damn straight. Emigration is hard as, but doable. It’s not the first option, it’s one after you’ve tried or are unwilling to try the other options. And countries change. When I moved to the UK it was on a cultural high (late 90s) and had a great time. I left just after it peaked (2012 Olympics was fantastic and London was doing okay but the rest of the country not so much) in about 2013. I saw it was starting to get worse and it got far far worse since then. Every single person who knows us over there said we made the best choice. We go back every few years and it gets worse every time and we go in summer when it’s actually good there! Others in my family also got out then too to either Canada, Europe, NZ or Australia. Some stayed behind, scared of change but change always happened anyway and now they have to live with it.
What a boneheaded reply. Don’t be a fuckwit. Cut the ableism, lack of awareness, personal privilege, and national differences. What are people with disabilities supposed to do? People who don’t or can’t drive? People talking care of their infirmed family? People without the thousands of dollars needed to enter a country and live there without a job until they find one that will sponsor them?
According to you, they should take the risk on being sent back to the US poorer than when they started, end up homeless in a strange place, and/or let their family members die alone without support.
I say this as a US citizen trying to get out and having done a TON of digging into what it takes to leave here specifically and go to a European country. There’s more involved than you seem to know. And a boatload of risks.
True family would support you leaving them to find a better life. They’d be sad but happy for you. Happens every day all over the world in all families.
Is it ableist, yep probably. And it sucks, but if you have the means, use it. Don’t waste the opportunity. Build the networks, make a life elsewhere and then get your family out to join you. Why do you think families pool their resources to send their fittest, youngest and most economically likely to succeed across borders or on boats to Europe, or walking to the US for example. The “where are the families of this isn’t an invasion” crowd are either stupid or purposely dog whistling when they say this btw.
This complete lack of knowledge over immigration processes leads me to believe you’ve never left your own “island nation.”
Transporting a pet to another country means getting them up to date on their vaccinations. Hundreds of dollars for that alone. Countries can euthanize pets at the border.
Not to mention the your car, medical records and current prescriptions, the legal ramifications of overstaying your visa in a foreign country.
Humans cannot simply walk across the border and settle down like birds. It must be nice to have such a simplistic view of the world, but it doesn’t excuse acting like a “fuckwit” to people online, especially if you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Ha! I sent two cats from UK to Australia. Trust me, I know the cost. It’s crazy but you do what you have to, or do as most do and leave them with people you trust. I’ve lived in lots of countries. Some were island nations, some not. I travelled across the borders of all of them - including during an actual war, which thankfully was a land border so drove across. It’s hard, don’t get me wrong. I’ve started from zero on more than one occasion, but if you need it, you find a way. Actual desperation means actually doing something - otherwise you’re just complaining.
Everything is an excuse. If you want it, you find a way.
“Humans cannot simply walk across the border and settle” is the entire reason for MAGA, the current US administration, Brexit, and likely the next UK government, and the rise of the far right in numerous countries. People do, have and will cross borders, legally or otherwise. It’s a risk, yes, but if the other option is to live in poverty, fear or under an authoritarian regime, you do it - or you fight from within. But most of you aren’t willing to do either - bitching and moaning does fuck all. The apathy is pathetic. Enjoy your cage, quietly. If you want to fight, I support that. If you want to try, I support that. If you want to leave, I support that. If you want to sit there, doing nothing and complaining that nothing changes or you can’t do anything, fuck off.
Edit: all of those “problems” are mostly US-immigration problems btw. You’ll get in shit for overstaying a visa but not in the same way as in the US and in many countries you can apply for permanent residency once you’re there, or risk a visa run (where you pop out of the country briefly and then re-enter, resetting your “visa timer”). I talk from experience. Medications are far easier to get in other places, especially life-saving ones as the whole universal healthcare. Even if sometimes you have to pay for it as a non-resident, it’s often cheaper as there’s less price gouging.
Crossing a road is a risk. Getting out of bed too quickly is a risk. Eating out is a risk. Crossing a border is a risk. Life, as I’m trying to explain, is full of risks.
You can apply for residency when you are already in many places without the risk of an agency like ICE arresting you for trying to do the right thing because many other countries are far more understanding. And free, let’s not forget that either, and it’s mostly propaganda and US-exceptionalism that makes USians think otherwise.
It’s not easy. The oversimplification here is absolutely off the wall. You don’t know their situation, so saying “just leave” in the most blasé way possible because you were lucky enough for it to be easy for you is borderline insulting. Family, pets, financial situation, medical situation, and so many other factors play a role in why someone can’t up and leave. It costs a lot to immigrate and move thousands of miles away. Not to mention language barriers.
In my work I meet a lot of immigrants. I have infinite respect and admiration for them, because I realize how hard it is to leave your home country to begin a new life, starting from nothing in a society that isn’t always the most welcoming.
But all of them chose to leave everything because they thought the challenges they faced in their new country were worth it, and their children would have a better future there.
So yeah. It’s hard to emigrate, but if you choose not to, that’s still a choice.
Damn straight. Emigration is hard as, but doable. It’s not the first option, it’s one after you’ve tried or are unwilling to try the other options. And countries change. When I moved to the UK it was on a cultural high (late 90s) and had a great time. I left just after it peaked (2012 Olympics was fantastic and London was doing okay but the rest of the country not so much) in about 2013. I saw it was starting to get worse and it got far far worse since then. Every single person who knows us over there said we made the best choice. We go back every few years and it gets worse every time and we go in summer when it’s actually good there! Others in my family also got out then too to either Canada, Europe, NZ or Australia. Some stayed behind, scared of change but change always happened anyway and now they have to live with it.
Fuckl their “situation”. If they want it, they can do it. Get in a car, grab the dog, cross the border.
Don’t be a fuckwit. If these people really wanted to do it, they could. All their doing is virtue signalling until they do.
“I wanna leave”. “it’s too hard”.
Fuck no it’s not. You’ve got borders. CROSS THEM!!!
Good lord. Island nation folks be sitting here looking at you thinking WTF.
What a boneheaded reply. Don’t be a fuckwit. Cut the ableism, lack of awareness, personal privilege, and national differences. What are people with disabilities supposed to do? People who don’t or can’t drive? People talking care of their infirmed family? People without the thousands of dollars needed to enter a country and live there without a job until they find one that will sponsor them?
According to you, they should take the risk on being sent back to the US poorer than when they started, end up homeless in a strange place, and/or let their family members die alone without support.
I say this as a US citizen trying to get out and having done a TON of digging into what it takes to leave here specifically and go to a European country. There’s more involved than you seem to know. And a boatload of risks.
Not everyone lives where and how you do.
True family would support you leaving them to find a better life. They’d be sad but happy for you. Happens every day all over the world in all families.
Is it ableist, yep probably. And it sucks, but if you have the means, use it. Don’t waste the opportunity. Build the networks, make a life elsewhere and then get your family out to join you. Why do you think families pool their resources to send their fittest, youngest and most economically likely to succeed across borders or on boats to Europe, or walking to the US for example. The “where are the families of this isn’t an invasion” crowd are either stupid or purposely dog whistling when they say this btw.
This complete lack of knowledge over immigration processes leads me to believe you’ve never left your own “island nation.”
Transporting a pet to another country means getting them up to date on their vaccinations. Hundreds of dollars for that alone. Countries can euthanize pets at the border.
Not to mention the your car, medical records and current prescriptions, the legal ramifications of overstaying your visa in a foreign country.
Humans cannot simply walk across the border and settle down like birds. It must be nice to have such a simplistic view of the world, but it doesn’t excuse acting like a “fuckwit” to people online, especially if you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Well, we can… in the EU.
Ha! I sent two cats from UK to Australia. Trust me, I know the cost. It’s crazy but you do what you have to, or do as most do and leave them with people you trust. I’ve lived in lots of countries. Some were island nations, some not. I travelled across the borders of all of them - including during an actual war, which thankfully was a land border so drove across. It’s hard, don’t get me wrong. I’ve started from zero on more than one occasion, but if you need it, you find a way. Actual desperation means actually doing something - otherwise you’re just complaining.
Everything is an excuse. If you want it, you find a way.
“Humans cannot simply walk across the border and settle” is the entire reason for MAGA, the current US administration, Brexit, and likely the next UK government, and the rise of the far right in numerous countries. People do, have and will cross borders, legally or otherwise. It’s a risk, yes, but if the other option is to live in poverty, fear or under an authoritarian regime, you do it - or you fight from within. But most of you aren’t willing to do either - bitching and moaning does fuck all. The apathy is pathetic. Enjoy your cage, quietly. If you want to fight, I support that. If you want to try, I support that. If you want to leave, I support that. If you want to sit there, doing nothing and complaining that nothing changes or you can’t do anything, fuck off.
Edit: all of those “problems” are mostly US-immigration problems btw. You’ll get in shit for overstaying a visa but not in the same way as in the US and in many countries you can apply for permanent residency once you’re there, or risk a visa run (where you pop out of the country briefly and then re-enter, resetting your “visa timer”). I talk from experience. Medications are far easier to get in other places, especially life-saving ones as the whole universal healthcare. Even if sometimes you have to pay for it as a non-resident, it’s often cheaper as there’s less price gouging.
You mean… becoming illegal in migrants and risking deportation?
Crossing a road is a risk. Getting out of bed too quickly is a risk. Eating out is a risk. Crossing a border is a risk. Life, as I’m trying to explain, is full of risks.
You can apply for residency when you are already in many places without the risk of an agency like ICE arresting you for trying to do the right thing because many other countries are far more understanding. And free, let’s not forget that either, and it’s mostly propaganda and US-exceptionalism that makes USians think otherwise.