Florida public schools will force students to take a Heritage Foundation-backed class on the “evils of communism.”…
  • terabyterex@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    first, so theres no confusion. i am against this program and its a facist move. i want to take a detour on your comment.

    this article is more about socialism but people always confuse the two. i am a capitalist who believes in socialist programs. i believe in public health care, free public schooling (include universoty), and universal basic income. please use mybtaxes to pay for all of it.

    capitalism is about owning your own busisness, ehich i agree with and does not conflict with everything socialism. not everything needs to be privately owned but we should have the freedom to privately own a business.

    but your comment wasnt on socislism but communism. i have an honest question and not a snarky one, if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country? i genuinely want to know. communism doesnt support private property either and thats very important to me. i am also genx and for most of my kife, i have been happy with my country. my ideal president was barrack obama.

    now that this country is becoming religous facist at the highest levels, i have thought aboit leaving so again , i wasnt being snarky. if i loved communism, i wouod have left.

    sorry for the long comment, i judt hope you see i have a genuine curiosity, which is hard to communicate in a forum.

    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country?

      If you don’t like people with a different world view why don’t you move to israel?

      • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
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        1 month ago

        Presumably the best way to fight Israeli genocide is outside of Israel;

        the best way to fight Uighur genocide is outside of the PRC;

        the best way to fight Iranian theo-fascism is outside of Iran;

        and the best way to fight capitalism, is outside of a capitalist country.

        One could go to, say, Cuba, or North Korea, or any country one thinks is truly, or at least mostly, Communist, or maybe a rebel-held area, and fight against capitalism and/or build socialism.

            • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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              1 month ago

              I loved the 100’s of ‘leaked’ mugshots from a few years ago of the ‘prisoners’. This was with them probably.
              From Adrian Zenz the religious nut and rabid Sinophobe

              All quite good generic Uyghur faces but with a button in weird places and other anomalies what we know recognize as AI artefacts.
              Didn’t even bother to do some Photoshopping.

              BTW don’t they have orange suits in Guantanamo where they hold Uyghur terrorists?

              • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
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                1 month ago

                FWIW, I got it from wp:Persecution of Uyghurs in China; though yes, both the extreme left and extreme right tend not to like Wikipedia.

                As it’s a non-free image, I think it’s intentionally degraded in order to better argue fair use.

                Also, FWIW for any lurker: wp:Adrian Zenz.

                Maybe the Uighur genocide should be put into wv:Category:Wikidebates.

                The Guantanamo detentions are, of course, unjust, as was the state-sanctioned murder of Osama bin Ladan (who should have been tried in the US proper, with Bill of Rights followed (but alas, Obama had an election to win)).

                That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo;

                and yes, the Chinese commies will say that the Uighurs weren’t extracted from Central Asia, like America has extracted many from that area—I’ll grant them that; but as I’m a bit sympathetic to anarchism and at times regard nation-states as fictions, state cults, with 100s of millions of adherents, it’s somewhat of a moot point to me.

                It’s like the current US-Iran war: they’re both wrong, and I wish neither Trump and Hegseth, nor the theo-fascists who rule Iran, success.

                • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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                  1 month ago

                  Indeed, ALL the anti-China Uyghur propaganda traces back to ‘guided by God’ Adrian Zenz.
                  And wikipedia is indeed garbage for anything political since it’s easily manipulated and astroturfed.
                  Does knowing that simple fact make you extreme?

                  That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo

                  I’m sure you have evidence for those numbers.
                  And of the ‘genocide’.
                  Palestine is massively controlled and has much lower smartphone ownership rate.
                  Yet videos from atrocities reach us all the time.
                  Where are those from Xinjiang? Double the population.

                  Yes China has jails and prisoners, also in Xinjiang, shocker!
                  Because they have criminals like everywhere else.
                  Even terrorists, funded as always by the west to serve a purpose, as in Syria and Somalia,etc…

                  When they hijack planes, bomb buses and do suicide attacks they get put in jail.
                  Has China do everything perfectly and with velvet gloves? Probably not.
                  Nobody’s perfect.
                  The situation has been under control for a long time now and the vast majority are normal people living normal lives.
                  Of course the western propaganda machine exagerated, lied and keeps milking this now non-issue.
                  As they verifiably lie about any country they don’t like.

                  Obama had indeed an election to win.
                  If they really got Bin Laden after 15 years I’m sure they would’ve showned the videos of the heroic raid all day long.
                  But nothing.
                  And if you believe the batshit crazy story that they took his body but somehow for some reason decided to throw his body overboard I have some land to sell you.

                  And no, Iran is not wrong, only the aggressor the US.
                  But anarchists wouldn’t know better and for some reason they always end up fighting some "authoritarian regime’ taking the side of the authoritarian imperialist western regime.

                  But anyway you believe what you want and maybe you’ll inform yourself and possibly grow out of the edgy teen anarchist fase.
                  If you’re older then you might be a lost cause.
                  Anyway enough said.
                  Bye

                  • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
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                    1 month ago

                    Indeed, ALL the anti-China Uyghur propaganda traces back to ‘guided by God’ Adrian Zenz.

                    Are you saying that if it wasn’t for him, all this talk about the Uighur genocide wouldn’t be going on?

                    ​

                    And wikipedia is indeed garbage for anything political since it’s easily manipulated and astroturfed.

                    Could you provide ≥3 examples of easy manipulation and astroturfing, please?

                    Are you saying when Wikipedia says mean things about Hitler or Trump, I shouldn’t believe it?

                    ​

                    Does knowing that simple fact make you extreme?

                    Is it a simple fact?

                    ​

                    That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo

                    I’m sure you have evidence for those numbers.

                    I don’t, which of course necessarily means that millions indeed have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo. 😏

                    ​

                    Palestine is massively controlled and has much lower smartphone ownership rate.

                    I think Israel, as bad as it is, has (or at least until recently had) freer speech than the PRC. Hamas can probably smuggle things out. Also presumably if one went 20 km east or west from any part of Gaza or the West Bank, one would be either in Israel proper, the Mediterranean, or Jordan.

                    Travel 10x that distance from Ürümqi, and one will probably still be in the PRC.

                    I wonder if a chip could be inserted into a baseball and thrown over the wall into Israel.

                    ​

                    Because they have criminals like everywhere else.

                    and probably real criminals mixed in with those who are persecuted politically.

                    ​

                    Thank you for the link.

                    There is evidence indicating that ETIM members also took steps to plan attacks against the interests of the United States, including the United States Embassy in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan.

                    ​

                    Some of these articles look interesting. I might read them.

                    wp:Turkistan Islamic Party

                    wp:East Turkestan independence movement

                    wp:East Turkestan People’s Revolutionary Party

                    wp:United Revolutionary Front of East Turkestan

                    ​

                    Also, how does the West fund Uighurs, with China’s ubiquitous surveillance?

                    ​

                    If they really got Bin Laden after 15 years I’m sure they would’ve showned the videos of the heroic raid all day long.

                    Okay, good point.

                    So are you saying that bin Laden’s still alive?

                    Does Wikipedia has anything to say about this (even though you say it’s “indeed garbage for anything political”)? Let’s see:

                    wp:Osama bin Laden death conspiracy theories

                    I guess you think this article is garbage too.

                    ​

                    (my bold)

                    And if you believe the batshit crazy story that they took his body but somehow for some reason decided to throw his body overboard I have some land to sell you.

                    You do?!? Please give me details!

                    ​

                    And no, Iran is not wrong, only the aggressor the US.

                    Do you support the Islamo-fascists?

                    ​

                    But anarchists wouldn’t know better and for some reason they always end up fighting some "authoritarian regime’ taking the side of the authoritarian imperialist western regime.

                    I ain’t fighting for the US, though they seem to treat women, LGBTQIs, and those of other religions, or those with no religions, better, or far less badly, than they do in the theo-fascist ISLAMIC Republic of Iran. If citing that makes me a stooge of Western imperialism, then I guess that’d make me a Western imperialist.

                    ​

                    But anyway you believe what you want and maybe you’ll inform yourself and possibly grow out of the edgy teen anarchist fase.

                    I think you misspelled “phase”.

                    ​

                    Bye

                    Goodnight.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol9_0schMHs

                    2:01

                    😁🙂