• bearboiblake@pawb.social
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    1 day ago

    Hey, look, it’s divisive rhetoric!

    Crimes and violence are caused by unjustified heirarchies, in particular, the ruling class ruling over the working class.

    You know what would reduce school shootings? Publicly funded mental health services for young people.

    This kind of post is aimed at dividing the working class into two groups, pro-gun, and anti-gun. Refuse to give in to their messaging. Solidarity across the WHOLE working class!

    • AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      No, this kind of post is aimed at dividing people between people with critical thinking abilities and maga morons.

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      20 hours ago

      Nah dude, I’m sure we will all be drowning in peace once only ICE, police and the US military have all the guns :D

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      nothing on this comic advocates against publicly funded mental health services

      • bearboiblake@pawb.social
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        My point is that we can fight together to advance our mutual goals instead of arguing amongst ourselves while the tides of a far greater battle are turning against us.

        Fight the ruling class, the rest of our problems will be much easier to solve once they are removed from power.

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        Would it? Is that the only solution?

        Why do Yemen and Switzerland have such high ownership and no school shootings?

        Don’t get me wrong, less guns would be good for many reasons. And I think we can get there, eventually. But right now, I have zero confidence that our government is fit to enforce any law fairly. Neonazis are openly running the DoD and ICE, this is not the time to dial back the Bill of Rights.

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          As well some of those numbers tend to skew. There’s those who have a shotgun as opposed to the images of Republicans during the holidays where everyone in the family has their own AR and we don’t know what else they own.

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          23 hours ago

          So, Australia doesn’t publicly fund mental health treatment and still hav3 way, way less gun deaths.

          We also have way less guns.

          You guys have stock standard excuses. None of them are true.

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            Boy, I bet it’s that simple of a solution and not multifaceted of a problem. Not to mention I don’t think Australia is in the middle of a literal fascist take over, so you know, might as well disarm to be helpless, right? Seriously, the child like mentality of guns being bad when there’s social ills that plague society that results in more violence overall, not just gun violence, is annoying.

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              20 hours ago

              That response lacks internal logic.

              1. The countries I mentioned, including Australia, have a multifaceted solution. Heavy restrictions on weapon ownership. A very strict permit system. A refusal to grant a permit until authorised training has been completed. A valid reason for gun ownership (such as membership in a gun club). Mandatory gunsafe compliance - the police can do spot checks on gun storage without a warrant. These are a suite of Solutions, not a single magic bean that you suggest are impossible, except they are possibly.

              2. You refer to the likelihood of getting rid of guns because of Trump’s fascist state? Is that the latest excuse? What was the problem before 2016 then?

              Look, American gun culture is what it is. It probably is impossible now to reverse things. But own it and don’t keep coming up with all these nonsensical excuses because they work fine in peer countries.

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                17 hours ago
                1. The multifaceted issues isn’t just low levels of gun control, but rising poverty, severity of poverty, and strong instances of institutional racism. That’s the tip of it. This country is inherently hostile to POC which leads onto…
                2. If you think this fascist state issue is only Trump then you’re not paying attention and don’t talk to older POC in the USA. Legislation like the Mulford Act is only there to prevent POC from being able arm, protect, and police themselves from the violence of the police.
                3. This is what gets me, people like you looking in with only a select view not seeing everything in this country. You see what you want to see and make a half-thought up conclusion. Not being white in this country is to have one inherently hostile for you and that marginalizes you. Realistically as well, most gun control is unevenly used against them as well, again refer to the Mulford Act.
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                  Racism and inequality exist everywhere, man. It just does. I’ve seen it in France, Germany, England, Singapore and India. It definitely exists in Australia. If you think guns will fix the problem, or even alleviate it, you will have to show me the evidence, because the US is awash in firearms and things aren’t improving. Especially for POC.

                  What it boils down to, every damn time, is the idea of American exceptionalism. It won’t work in America because reasons. Even if systems are placed in other countries, and work fine, it won’t work in the states. It is one of the reasons why the US won’t adopt the metric system. Only the US and two third world countries haven’t made the switch. That’s fine, but American exceptionalism has now led you guys into a war that nobody wanted except Israel. Even two thirds of your own country don’t want it. This is not a question of gun control, it’s an issue of talking yourself into a position, and defending it to the literal death of your own people.

                  I’m not going to try and convince you anymore. It’s no skin off my nose how America runs it’s own country. But Americans aren’t all that special. People in other countries laugh, poop, sleep, cry, drive, walk and sing, etc. Any system can be adopted if the will of the people want it badly enough. And you guys apparently want to be the world leaders in gun deaths per capita, and that’s your decision. But don’t try to blame it on the belief that you are an extraordinary different people. You’ve not.

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          How about both? Why do you pretend it’s one or the other?

          Give free mental health support AND prohibit guns. Best of both worlds

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          Oh yes, gun nutters will murder people if you try and take their guns away. They will also just murder people period.

          There is no mental help for these terrorists.

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            I’m a firm believer of firearm ownership, especially for the marginalized groups in the USA right now. That said we need better mental health services and people who have a distinct lack of empathy should not own one to begin with.

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              Yes, arm both sides like the fascist love to do. Clearly you have the wool pulled over your eyes.

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                Removal of firearms is also a fascist thing. I’d rather have an armed trans person next to me than a RWNJ. That trans person is higher likely to be mentally stable, trained, and practiced. As well given the targeting of trans people to marginalize them to the point that they can then be exterminated as is the Heritage Foundation’s plan, I’m going to say you have a lousy take.

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                  Giving guns to trans isn’t going to solve the problem and you should be ashamed for suggesting it is anything other than setting people up to be killed. Your take is impossibly dumb.

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                    You seem to think that they’ll be allowed to live under this regime in the first place. Also why is it that they want to take away their ways to arm and organize exactly? What could be the reason they would want them isolated and unarmed?