Gun laws are probably not going to matter if the guns are still available. You gotta get rid of the guns as well. And also the poverty of course.
Which will never happen, there are like 500 million guns in civ hands now. That box is open and will never be closed. And please don’t point to Australia’s buyback because only 60% turned in their firearms which at the time were only around 1mil in civ hands, which are now around 3mil in civilian hands. So they have more guns owned by more people since the ban/buyback.
But would you oppose my knife argument? Say there are no guns. Ever. Anywhere. What would happen in the streets? Would there be as much killing?
Same conditions we have now? Yea…you do realize that around 4k people a year are murdered with knives/blunt objects right? It’s right up there with the number of murders with guns that don’t include gangs or police. End of the day, violence happens because our society is broken, not because of a tool that’s accessible.
Gangs are targeted violence towards other gangs. It doesn’t really effect the public, most people think of gun violence as random acts done by people. Gang violence is something that is spawned again from our lack of safety nets and lack of education.
Police killing people is also something that people don’t usually think of when it comes to gun deaths.
Statistically you account for what the public perception is, but most anti-gun groups don’t. They lump everything together, which isn’t how you solve problems, it’s how you create a narrative that the US is the wild west with people getting murdered in the streets while crossing the road every minute of the day.
It’s the same with the abortion debate, anti-abortion groups don’t like to see the nuance, they just want to paint a picture that an abortion at 2 weeks is the same as a 3rd trimester abortion. Which isn’t true.
Nuance to problems is how you solve them, not ignoring the details.
Which will never happen, there are like 500 million guns in civ hands now. That box is open and will never be closed. And please don’t point to Australia’s buyback because only 60% turned in their firearms which at the time were only around 1mil in civ hands, which are now around 3mil in civilian hands. So they have more guns owned by more people since the ban/buyback.
Same conditions we have now? Yea…you do realize that around 4k people a year are murdered with knives/blunt objects right? It’s right up there with the number of murders with guns that don’t include gangs or police. End of the day, violence happens because our society is broken, not because of a tool that’s accessible.
Why are you excluding murders by gangs and police? I don’t see how that’s fair or logical.
Gangs are targeted violence towards other gangs. It doesn’t really effect the public, most people think of gun violence as random acts done by people. Gang violence is something that is spawned again from our lack of safety nets and lack of education.
Police killing people is also something that people don’t usually think of when it comes to gun deaths.
Statistically you account for what the public perception is, but most anti-gun groups don’t. They lump everything together, which isn’t how you solve problems, it’s how you create a narrative that the US is the wild west with people getting murdered in the streets while crossing the road every minute of the day.
It’s the same with the abortion debate, anti-abortion groups don’t like to see the nuance, they just want to paint a picture that an abortion at 2 weeks is the same as a 3rd trimester abortion. Which isn’t true.
Nuance to problems is how you solve them, not ignoring the details.