• Hapankaali@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    I never said it was, German citizens get access to the benefit without the residency requirement.

    That’s illegal by EU law. German citizens who move from abroad to Germany must be treated the same way as other EU citizens when it comes to social security.

    No, clearly it wasn’t, it took a world war to abolish them.

    It would have been trivial to abolish them, from a legal and administrative perspective.

    I did, it’s generally accepted to have it’s (sic) origins in ancient Greece.

    That’s incorrect on both counts. Again, you don’t have to take my word for it, you are free to read about it yourself.

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      3 days ago

      That’s illegal by EU law. German citizens who move from abroad to Germany must be treated the same way as other EU citizens when it comes to social security.

      Must or are?

      It would have been trivial to abolish them, from a legal and administrative perspective.

      And yet from a practical standpoint it was not.

      That’s incorrect on both counts. Again, you don’t have to take my word for it, you are free to read about it yourself.

      I did and that’s what I found.

      • Hapankaali@lemmy.world
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        2 days ago

        Must or are?

        Must. I know from practical experience reality and legal principle are not always in agreement. The point, however, is that it’s possible.

        The abolition of individual national citizenship was, of course, always the endgame of European federalists. It’s why European citizenship exists as a concept.

        And yet from a practical standpoint it was not.

        Yes, I am aware that the concept of equal rights is not a popular one. I am speaking only about the administrative and legal route to effect such a concept, not about popularizing it among the lumpen proletariat, for which I am, admittedly, quite unsuitable.

        I did and that’s what I found.

        Even Wikipedia’s article on the history of citizenship, which (unsurprisingly) takes a much more nuanced view than I do and discusses the (tenuous) link between the polis and modern citizenship at length, does not come within light years of suggesting it is “generally accepted” that it “has origins in ancient Greece.” The ruling caste of the polis has much stronger parallels with the Kshatriyas than with modern citizenship.