• SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Oh look, the old “aThEiSm Is A rElIgIoN” trope.

    Seriously, you guys need some new material. If Jesus were real he’d be looking for new writers.

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      1 day ago

      I never said atheism is a religion. There are many religions such as Buddhism, Jainism, Confucianism and Satanism which don’t believe in god but are still considered religions.

      I’m aware of how my original comment came across so I should probably specify that I myself do not believe in a supernatural god.

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        20 hours ago

        Buddhism can definitely be theistic. Satanism is defined as “non-theistic”, which means it is not about the existence of a divinity in the usual meaning, so there could be atheistic and theistic satanists. Confucianism is kind of tricky because, if I recall right, it is mostly considered as a philosophy before a religion, even though it does include rituals and dogmas.

        But I do agree with you, people will see the bad things coming from major and enshitified religions and ignore that other views, other options exist.

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          18 hours ago

          Buddhism technically does have gods, but they’re not creators and are not all-powerful. Buddhism is mainly about understanding suffering, escaping the cycle of rebirth, and achieving enlightenment.

          As for Satanism, allow me to correct one small detail. There are theistic forms, but they’re not “Satanism”. The Church of Satan, founded in 1966 was the first religion in history to explicitly organize itself under the name “Satanism”. They deify the self, and there is a lot of psychodrama/ritual involved. It was heavily influenced by Ayn Rand but fused with ritual, symbolism, carnality, elitism, and psychodrama. Many LaVeyan Satanists consider this to be the one true form of Satanism. That’s part of the reason The Church of Satan and Satanic Temple hate each other. (Fun fact, one of the founders of the Satanic Temple, formerly a LaVeyan Satanist, left because he said TST “isn’t satanism”. His name was Brian Werner in case you want to fact check that yourself.)

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            1 hour ago

            The Church of Satan are atheists. They might worship the self, but they don’t think the self is a god. I don’t have the patience if you want to split hairs in that, but it isn’t a kind of theism as it’s commonly understood. It’s like saying that vegetarians eat meat because the edible part of a nut is called “meat”.

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            10 hours ago

            You’re right, I got mixed up. It is both non-theistic and officially atheistic. I haven’t read about it in a long time.

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        1 day ago

        I myself do not believe in a supernatural god.

        So do you lean more towards sacrificing still beating hearts to our father the Sun or are you more into hugging trees and dancing naked in the moonlight?

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            21 hours ago

            Well, you weren’t into supernatural gods, so I figured you might be into natural gods ;P can’t get more natural than the Sun and nature.

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              19 hours ago

              Let’s not pretend your previous comment wasn’t supposed to be a thinly veiled insult. If i’m not into supernatural gods then I must believe in some other woo-woo. And you phrased it in a delicately ridiculous way.

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                14 hours ago

                Let’s not pretend your previous comment wasn’t supposed to be a thinly veiled insult.

                Well no, it was meant as a stupid joke, because let’s face it; nobody sacrifices inca-style anymore and most people look at you weirdly if you mention naked dancing for your religion.

                And you phrased it in a delicately ridiculous way.

                Yes I’m well aware, this was intentional.

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                  12 hours ago

                  I’ll have you know I only sacrifice hearts on weekends. Gotta keep a work-life balance.