55% of Americans say they would prefer to live in a community where houses are larger and farther away from amenities – compared to 44% who say the opposite.
Ok that’s misleading a bit. The poll asked if you’d rather live in a larger house that’s further from other people but stuff like restaurants are miles away, or smaller and closer together but stuff like restaurants are within walking distance. I’m paraphrasing but only slightly here.
You’re extrapolating the car based and walking based part, but these people could also want more public transportation and bike routes. Maybe these people already live in cramped apartment buildings and just dream of having a big house. There’s other factors than just “me dum American me want car”
Why don’t I want to be bothered by or hear all my neighbors? Is this an honest question? Do you like hearing everyone around you? Do you hate peace and quiet?
Because I prefer the peace and quiet. I also do not want to engage in small talk or feel obligated to acknowledge people out of courteousy and maintaining peace with them when I just want to go about my day.
I don’t want to hear people fucking, or fighting, or their kids running around the apartment or any other bullshit that comes with apartment life. Apartments suck ass and I never want to live in one again.
Okay, maybe I don’t know the quality of the apartments you live in because when I want quiet time for me, I just stay in my flat. A simple brick wall is enough to shield from almost anything. Or maybe the society you live in is very different from the society I live in. I actually enjoy seeing and talking to the people that live around me.
And well, the thread is about people preferring single family houses in the US. Those houses on their oversized properties are often completely excluded from any form of community. I feel like this type of lifestyle makes us more and more sociophobic.
In the details, for walkable cities and for the environment, I’m pretty sure there’s a very comfortable middle ground for everyone. We don’t need the density of cities like Paris or Jakarta. But we also don’t need eight football fields of land for a single person, or do we?
Okay, maybe I don’t know the quality of the apartments you live in because when I want quiet time for me, I just stay in my flat. A simple brick wall is enough to shield from almost anything.
US apartments are almost always wood and drywall on the interior. Luxury apts may be an exception. No sound isolation at all. You also can get the heat from the neighbors if they like it hot because the walls don’t stop that either. Any heavy footfalls, people talking, music playing, someone coughing, most of it resonates through the walls/floors/ceilings. The only apartmentI lived in that was an exception to this was in the middle east.
Or maybe the society you live in is very different from the society I live in.
Undoubtedly. Each time I’ve been in apartments, there are a bunch of cunts mixed in with a few nice people.
I actually enjoy seeing and talking to the people that live around me.
I am introverted. I don’t enjoy much socialization. And I really detest small talk. I can only endure so much “hurr durr weather hurr durr sportsball huurrr muh grind”, bullshit before I forcibly evict myself from a conversation. I can do it all and most people will find me pleasant for IRL encounters. But I really don’t like it.
And well, the thread is about people preferring single family houses in the US. Those houses on their oversized properties are often completely excluded from any form of community. I feel like this type of lifestyle makes us more and more sociophobic.
People made me sociophobic. Sociophobic is a strong word for it in my case, but my time interacting with people made me not want to be around people. Has nothing to do with the kind of property I lived in, if anything apartment life made it worse. I see your point, but I’m not sure I agree.
In the details, for walkable cities and for the environment, I’m pretty sure there’s a very comfortable middle ground for everyone.
The unfortunate thing with people is there is no one size fits all solution. I do think we could benefit from more quality multi-tenant housing options. But I also think havingnthe choice to not be in it is valid as well. The US is too far to the sprawl side and dense urban areas are too far to the sardine side. But there are people that enjoy both ends of the spectrum. I’d (personally) prefer more mixed zoning options where a neighborhood can have activity centers and small shops mixed in with the housing and have everything car and bike centric within those sub communities with the cars relegated to non intersecting areas.
We don’t need the density of cities like Paris or Jakarta. But we also don’t need eight football fields of land for a single person, or do we?
Even one football field would be hyperbolic here. Some rich fucks might get that much land, or some people way outside of town. Average people get much much less. To your point though I think that there is a middle ground. But also the freedom of choice should be available. It’s difficult to reduce car usage in sprawl, but better public services would alleviate a ton of that. I would be more than happy to ride a metro, but my state doesn’t have anything like that.
@JigglySackles@Beeen132 The leaf blowers of suburbia are a hell of a lot louder and more annoying than the vast majority of noises people in an apartment can make.
Yeah it’s unclear how much fantasy was allowed with these questions. Like if commute and money and pollution were no object I’d prefer to live on 1000 acres in the mountains with a cabin-mansion and hobby farm.
But realistically for cost and commute I just want a big yard for gardening, and peace and quiet.
Ok that’s misleading a bit. The poll asked if you’d rather live in a larger house that’s further from other people but stuff like restaurants are miles away, or smaller and closer together but stuff like restaurants are within walking distance. I’m paraphrasing but only slightly here.
You’re extrapolating the car based and walking based part, but these people could also want more public transportation and bike routes. Maybe these people already live in cramped apartment buildings and just dream of having a big house. There’s other factors than just “me dum American me want car”
Seriously, I just don’t want to be bothered by people or live in an apartment where I get to hear my neighbors or constantly encounter them.
Why?
Why don’t I want to be bothered by or hear all my neighbors? Is this an honest question? Do you like hearing everyone around you? Do you hate peace and quiet?
Because I prefer the peace and quiet. I also do not want to engage in small talk or feel obligated to acknowledge people out of courteousy and maintaining peace with them when I just want to go about my day.
I don’t want to hear people fucking, or fighting, or their kids running around the apartment or any other bullshit that comes with apartment life. Apartments suck ass and I never want to live in one again.
Okay, maybe I don’t know the quality of the apartments you live in because when I want quiet time for me, I just stay in my flat. A simple brick wall is enough to shield from almost anything. Or maybe the society you live in is very different from the society I live in. I actually enjoy seeing and talking to the people that live around me.
And well, the thread is about people preferring single family houses in the US. Those houses on their oversized properties are often completely excluded from any form of community. I feel like this type of lifestyle makes us more and more sociophobic.
In the details, for walkable cities and for the environment, I’m pretty sure there’s a very comfortable middle ground for everyone. We don’t need the density of cities like Paris or Jakarta. But we also don’t need eight football fields of land for a single person, or do we?
US apartments are almost always wood and drywall on the interior. Luxury apts may be an exception. No sound isolation at all. You also can get the heat from the neighbors if they like it hot because the walls don’t stop that either. Any heavy footfalls, people talking, music playing, someone coughing, most of it resonates through the walls/floors/ceilings. The only apartmentI lived in that was an exception to this was in the middle east.
Undoubtedly. Each time I’ve been in apartments, there are a bunch of cunts mixed in with a few nice people.
I am introverted. I don’t enjoy much socialization. And I really detest small talk. I can only endure so much “hurr durr weather hurr durr sportsball huurrr muh grind”, bullshit before I forcibly evict myself from a conversation. I can do it all and most people will find me pleasant for IRL encounters. But I really don’t like it.
People made me sociophobic. Sociophobic is a strong word for it in my case, but my time interacting with people made me not want to be around people. Has nothing to do with the kind of property I lived in, if anything apartment life made it worse. I see your point, but I’m not sure I agree.
The unfortunate thing with people is there is no one size fits all solution. I do think we could benefit from more quality multi-tenant housing options. But I also think havingnthe choice to not be in it is valid as well. The US is too far to the sprawl side and dense urban areas are too far to the sardine side. But there are people that enjoy both ends of the spectrum. I’d (personally) prefer more mixed zoning options where a neighborhood can have activity centers and small shops mixed in with the housing and have everything car and bike centric within those sub communities with the cars relegated to non intersecting areas.
Even one football field would be hyperbolic here. Some rich fucks might get that much land, or some people way outside of town. Average people get much much less. To your point though I think that there is a middle ground. But also the freedom of choice should be available. It’s difficult to reduce car usage in sprawl, but better public services would alleviate a ton of that. I would be more than happy to ride a metro, but my state doesn’t have anything like that.
@JigglySackles @Beeen132 The leaf blowers of suburbia are a hell of a lot louder and more annoying than the vast majority of noises people in an apartment can make.
I’ve lived in both. I definitely don’t agree with your perspective. I barely hear any leaf blowers etc year round.
Yeah sorry, neighbors are usually assholes who stick their noses in other peoples business. I’ll live as far from other people as I can.
If I could choose my friends as neighbors it’d be different.
Yeah it’s unclear how much fantasy was allowed with these questions. Like if commute and money and pollution were no object I’d prefer to live on 1000 acres in the mountains with a cabin-mansion and hobby farm.
But realistically for cost and commute I just want a big yard for gardening, and peace and quiet.