Whether it be Hong Kong or Iran, or well, in dictatorships. A lot of times I see a ton of people coming to the street and basically shouting stuff.

This by itself doesn’t really do much, it doesn’t do any work, and is solely reliant on if the entity you are protesting to listens or not.

As is often the case, they just get met with armed personnel, and beaten up, and that’s that.

Which in cases like Iran went up to like 30k or more deaths.

But like, what is the exact mindset of this? If there are that many people willing to do stuff, in many cases, the majority of the population being in favor. Why don’t they go rob/take over some police stations and places with weapons. Then basically force their demands one way or another? Like establishing your own gov, and beating anyone who disobeys you including the current gov?

Now I am aware, revolutions of this type also happen. But I am not exactly sure why this is just often not the case, and people just go and… shout pointlessly in streets? What is the deciding factor?

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    21 hours ago

    I’m NOT for just-becoming-the-ruling-gang.

    There are plenty of civil leverages which the left … perhaps won’t … exercise, when it reaches the point of mass-butchery ( like hiring private-investigators to GET the evidence of criminality of the worst in-authority-role scum, & prosecute them, because the establishment won’t, then hiring good criminal-circuit lawyers to secure their convictions ).


    There’s a tippingpoint … I think it’s 1/20 of the population, when that percentage of the population is protesting, then the mainstream begin adapting-to, & adopting, the protesting-position’s views.


    The fundamental cause of people behaving the way they do, is that they, themselves, are ruled-by-peer-pressure, & they therefore presume that applying-peer-pressure cannot be disobeyed.

    The left’s assertions reek of this…

    The left’s institutional “authorities” also reek of this “this institute asserts that such-and-such-a-country MUST obey this assertion” kind of thing…

    Delusional, & narcissism, both.

    Action’s required, but it ought be effective, strategic, civilrights and civilaccountability centered action not just mobarchy, or your-gang-replaced-with-our-gang political “revolutions”, which never EVER produce the civil benefits the raw-potential would enable.

    Solving the wrong problem is Traditional, iow.

    & nobody’s ruthlessly-strategic-enough-in-altruism to solve the right problem, … so, therefore nothing’ll change, it looks like …

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