There is a particular indignity that comes from living in America, derived from the experience of waking up in the morning to see reports that Donald Trump has said something profoundly evil, and then needing to type “truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump” into your web browser to see if he actually said that. Once there, you can see a post in which Trump did indeed threaten to wipe out the entire civilization of Iran, stacked on top of an ad for a sketchy herbal supplement of some sort:
A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!
Looking at you, Secret Service. If anyone can stop a nuclear war, it’s you. We’re all counting on you.
If a single member of his personal agents doesnt worship him like a god I’d be shocked
There’s no way anyone who doesn’t love him would be able to stomach working that close to the guy for hours on end. I can’t see it happening.
All they need to do is take Trump, his family, and all top officials into the basement for a “photo opportunity”. It worked in Tsarist Russia, it can work here too.
Just take a page out of the Praetorian play book, already.
This isn’t something we will be able to act on retroactively. What I mean is that if nobody in our government or military stops Trump from going nuclear in Iran there is no going back. If he isn’t stopped until after it happens, nobody in the entire world will trust Americans ever again and we will all be hated (even more than we already are). This is the single biggest avoidable threat to national security that has ever existed. It’s already the case that nobody outside the US cares if you are one of the “good ones” or not. If this fuck-face does what we all think he wants to do, the US and its citizens will be internationally considered a threat to everyone elses national security and will be cut off from the rest of the world indefinitely.
Nobody will give a shit who you voted for or which protests you went to or not, everyone will hate us and rightfully so. If Trump goes nuclear in Iran it’ll be the end of the American Empire basically overnight.
USA already irreversibly lost the world’s trust.
The EU is actively working on replacements for American IT and payment systems.
France has offered to provide nuclear deterrent for the EU in place of the Americans. They’ve also made a deal with Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz for French shipping behind America’s back and denied their airspace to US planes, along with Italy, Spain and Austria.
Germany has taken on massive debt to rebuild their army.
The Gulf states’ economies are wrecked by this war and have realized that America can’t protect them. The logical step would be for them to take on a much more neutral stance in the future.
Australia and all of Africa are now dealing more with China than anyone else.Those are all long-term investments. They won’t change back if the next president happens to be a Democrat again.
Here. I’ll simplify it for you:
nobody in the entire world will trust Americans ever again
That’s it. There’s nothing that the US can do to change that anymore. Trust has already been broken. It will take decades to build it back, if that’s even possible.
Bro there won’t be a world left to worry about. You trust everyone that has nukes to not mistake it for an attack on them and trigger mad?
Eh. That’s really not a realistic fear here. The US already has nuclear weapons assets within striking distance of Iran. Sure, ICBMS launched from North Dakota would have to fly over Russia and risk triggering a false retaliation. That’s why the US simply wouldn’t use those launchers. Nukes launched against Iran would be launched from submarines in the Indian Ocean or Mediterranean or be delivered via cruise missiles and other stand-off munitions. They wouldn’t fly over any nuclear armed state, except maybe Israel. And Israel isn’t particularly worried about being nuked by the US.
And no, this wouldn’t trigger a retaliatory attack from the other nuclear powers. The launches would not be falsely read as nuclear strikes. The best example of this? Consider the Tomahawk missiles. The US has already launched hundreds of these things against Iran, and it didn’t cause Russia or China to press the button. And the Tomahawks can carry both conventional or nuclear warheads. They could destroy all of Iran’s cities using nuclear-tipped Tomahawks, and the launches would look no different than the hundreds of launches the US has already used against Iran.
This is still a horrible idea, and horrible doesn’t even begin to describe it. We’re talking about an act of mass murder that exceeds the Holocaust. That’s reason enough to consider the idea completely unthinkable. But it should be opposed for the sake of the Iranian people, not out of some unrealistic fear that it would trigger a global thermonuclear war.
We simple don’t know how those systems are designed. Russia is “said to have” an automatic retaliation system “dead hand”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand
I do not trust that this thing is so reliable that a random surface nuclear strike will not trigger it.
If nuclear or other bomb testing (to say nothing of their stupid war) hasn’t set it off, i doubt this would. Its not that close. The map looks small but its not at all. The distance from Iran to Russia is some 3,000 miles or 4,800 some odd km. Thats roughly the same distance from California to Maine. An entire continent between them.
None of those signals are remotely likely to make it that far. If they do, they’d be hard to distinguish from background noise.
India, Pakistan, and China are all downwind of Iran. They going to care. They might see fallout in their countries as an act of war.
Yep this right here, if he nukes Iran we’re all dead, even if the other nuclear states somehow don’t retaliate, which they wouldn’t but for the sake of argument, that would still completely destroy society. That would make an absurd amount of oil and natural gas unusable cutting the global supply by a margin that would be unsustainable.
One real danger is that this would legitimize the use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states. Nukes haven’t been used since WW2. And the small nukes used then really weren’t of much greater scale than the firebombing runs already done en masse in that horrible war. But this would be different. A precedent would be set that a nuclear power, if faced in a drawn out quagmire against a non-nuclear power, could use a nuke to end the conflict. The US nukes Tehran to cut the heart out of Iranian resistance. Russia nukes Kyiv to break the back of Ukraine. China nukes Taipei as the opening move to invading the island.
The US nuking Japan never really established the precedent that such an act is OK. Everyone has just accepted that WW2 was a unique situation, and that using nukes at the end of the worst conflict in human history, one that saw the Holocaust, isn’t really out of scale for that conflict. Plus the nukes then were relatively small. But if you lob a hydrogen bomb ten or a hundred times the weapon used to destroy Hiroshima? At a time when your nation is absolutely not in a epochal fight for its survival? That’s a completely different situation, a solution to a quagmire of the type that the major nuclear powers have frequently encountered.
Too true. The risk of using nuclear weapons at this point isn’t triggering M.A.D., but setting a precedent of permissiveness to use them in a war of aggression rather than ad a last-ditch tool for survival, in which case you can kiss Ukraine goodbye the moment we bomb Iran, and if Taiwan doesn’t capitulate to China, they will also be a target of preemptive nuclear strikes.
This is the nightmare world that Trump wants.
I generally agree with everything you’ve both just said but I’m of the opinion that ruling out MAD is unwise. Not based on likelihood but based on the severity of its fallout. Which is obviously the end of human life on planet earth
You have a much more optimistic view than I about the nature of the American character. If he incinerates 50 million people overnight, will you still go into work tomorrow? I probably would, cause really, what else you gonna do?
This is the first time anyone has called me optimistic about anything in a long time.
This isn’t a matter of going to work tomorrow, this is a matter of the current American standard of living collapsing. Even if people keep going to work millions will starve to death and die from disease because the vast majority of our world is built on plastic from food containers to medical equipment. Not to mention the end of mass shipping and air travel as we know it by years end. Once enough people go hungry shit will get violent.
You trust everyone that has nukes to not mistake it for an attack on them and trigger mad?
Yes. They’re not Americans, they don’t “fear for their life” and start blasting. The US needs to be taken down carefully, like a hostage taker with their knife to the world’s throat. If the US nukes Iran, I think that’s the point where the EU and UK start treating the US as the single biggest threat rather than just one of many, but it makes no sense to attack the US openly and guarantee MAD.
What we need is a revolution in the US that is homegrown enough that nuclear command accepts their call to not launch nukes over the presidency’s call to launch them. A military coup would probably be safest.
I said this about a year ago, but I have a strong feeling someone, somewhere will get a one nuke freebie. Everyone will be completely floored and there will be sanctions out the wazoo but that will be it, because no one really wants to trigger MAD.
For those who don’t know - almost everyone knows where most major missile silos ARE, in most nuclear-capable countries. From the time the rocket is fired, you, no matter which country, have about 5-10 minutes to decide whether it’s aimed at you, and whether to fire back.
The only way to know for sure is if a large bet is placed on Polymarket for “nuke dropped on Iran”.
Seriously that’s what the world has come to. We only know what’s going to happen if evidence of insider trading is found. Unbelievable.
Polymarket took it down, but I think some other sites still have it listed. It was up to $800k on Polymarket before it went down this weekend.
I haven’t followed that part of current events, but apparently several similar bets were placed when the required info was only available to WH insiders.
He is actually threatening genocide. Didn’t we hang people in Nuremburg for that?
most em got of scot free actually
No, he is completely correct. It’s true the criminals at Nuremberg were hanged but that was just a tiny insignificant fraction of the criminals that should have been hanged. The vast majority of them were forgiven, rewarded even.
That is absolutely correct. The vast majority of the actual war criminals, the Nazi’s in charge and giving orders of execution/genocide, got away scott free. Only the peons and guards got tried and executed for treason. And not that many of them.
The majority got away to Argentina, the US, or just given a cushy pension in Germany to fade away with.
Well, let’s fix that.
Anyone else remember when Putin threatened to nuke Ukraine or anyone that helped them?
This is just trump imitating his bestie, engaging in saber rattling to cow his enemies. It’s not going to work like he thinks it will
Edit: Apparently it did work
What a shame
Except unlike Putin, Trump is certifiably insane.
Yeah there’s a big difference between savvy / unhinged and sundowning / irrationally incompetent
He’s also much much stupider, I don’t like Putin one bit but he’s not a complete buffoon
Meh. I think we just don’t know enough about Putin to certify him.
Most people familiar with Russia and its politics say he’s not the evil genius some people make him out to be - just evil, paranoid, delusional…
His regime’s biggest “achievement” was to repackage Soviet hybrid war strategies for the internet age.
edit: being more intelligent than Trump isn’t something to be proud of
You underestimate V. Putin.
And probably has working nukes.
happy TACO Tuesday everyone!
Unfortunately that just puts JD Couchfucker in the seat with Mike NoFap Johnson in the passenger seat.
OK and? He’s demented also but not “on deaths doorstep with nothing to lose because he’s so old” demented. He’s got more to live for and hopefully has the sense not to trigger mutuality assured destruction.
I don’t think JD Vance is demented at all.
I think he’s fairly well spoken, intelligent and in bed with every billionaire out there so if the base backs him he could be more dangerous than Trump.
I’m pretty confident that even the suicidally greedy billionaire class recognizes the fact that nuking a foreign country is bad for business. However, I’ve underestimated their insanity before so maybe I’m wrong
True but he also has negative rizz.
if the base backs him
Luckily, that will never happen.
Thats okay cause the same trick will work on Cushion Pusher, too.
But then Johnson gets the Gerald Ford treatment.
Johnson doesn’t immediately become Vice-President. That’s not how the succession works. But you’re right, Captain Couchfucker is just as insane and stupid as Colonel Orangeballs.
The Entire Republican Party. and their donors are problems. And likely need to be culled as well. Trump is just a figurehead, and intentional target. This shit doesn’t end with his death, or JD’s for that matter.
The Speaker of the House doesn’t become VP when a sitting president dies, the sitting VP chooses a new VP.
The Speaker only becomes president if the VP dies before taking the recently-deceased president’s spot
then keep going until they give up or have no more subs left
Not all heroes … well, these do wear capes. Singing can be heroic too.
I hope they don’t get sued. Or if, that they win. Or if not, that they still made more money with this song than what it cost them.
It seems clear the Americans will rather cling on to the life they claim to hate and the jobs they despise until they are slowly enslaved and killed, rather than risk anything to undo the massive mistake they caused by reelecting a convicted felon, child rapist and overall buffoon as president
You’re asking them to admit they were wrong?
I want them to wake up before their demented dictator wannabe literally takes the world to WWIII
ps: by “wake up” I mean “act”… at the very least a general strike ta this point
pps: I’ve read excuses for months, yet Muricans won’t even quit nazi xitter or facebook as a sign they are not totally docile sheeple
Interesting point. I hope the “MSM” does their part by portraying exactly that as a Good American Thing.
Stop acting as if this is because of one person. There is a whole lot more wrong with the USA than just Trump.
Unfortunately, this time it really is. “Fire ze missiles” in the US military is an extraordinarily one-man band kinda decision. Certainly, the problem has more complex origins and potential resolutions, but in the extreme short-term, this is a very “one person” kinda question.
Unfortunately, this time it really is.
It absolutely is not. At the VERY least, the entirety of the republican party is to blame for sucking PedoTUS’s dick so hard he thinks he can nuke Iran. His cabinet could 25th him and get rid of him right now. Republicans in congress could impeach him (which wouldn’t be nearly as quick, but they could make it move if they actually cared).
Do not let those assholes do a face turn and forget that they were more than happy to support trump until the ship was damn near sunk.
Some human has to type in the coordinates and prep the missiles. Unless trump is doing that, someone else is complicit in the death of civilization.
I wish you weren’t wrong. He’s just the biggest, ugliest tumor; the cancer has already metastasized.
Congress could do its fucking job and issue a war powers resolution but republican politicians see him as a piggy bank so that won’t ever happen.
And the republicans will stand there tied to the execution post going “This is still better than Biden!”
Actually they’ll be saying “I can’t believe Biden did this to me.”
“It’s your fault we elected trump.”
Now’s your chance to be the American Jamie Lanister!
Just a little light market manipulation via terrorist threats to enrich the President of the US and his cabal of Bond villain kid-diddlers.
I swear if I were the next guy elected US President, I’d use RICO and asset seizure take every last dime the Trumps and their friends stole and give it all to the people.
And then we kick his traitor ass out of the country.
he WOULD do it, to get people to stop investigating the epstein files.
Demented PEDOPHILE Psychopath
