Silver Needle

Then the whole premise of systemd is absurd if it does talk for distros (OSes). When I get NixOS, I don’t install it because it has systemd. I install it because it is built around Nix. SystemD is a freaking fire-and-forget-style convenience and that’s it. When I look at specific features I want or don’t want, the first thing I’m considering is not necessarily the init system, I first look at what sort of computer I want, then I think about the OS, and specific programs like Konsole last.

I do not want a stupid init system, in this case an init system bundled in a suite(!), taking the steering wheel like this. I definitely don’t want this happening in highly politicised contexts like this one. A layer of perversion is added when you take into account that there are hardly any places to evade these big changes as systemd is omnipresent.

SystemD making these big political statements and practical decisions is just as absurd as GNOME or Xorg doing them. Fuck that shit.

You said it better than I could

Look, I can selectively quote what you say to completely fuck up the meaning of things!

little things like geography don’t matter.

laws that don’t exist outside of my mind

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/03/ab-1043s-internet-age-gates-hurt-everyone

I don’t know about you but this looks pretty real to me? Are you going to tell me that there is no AB 1043. Maybe you are trapped in a solipsistic world where this sort of encroachment doesn’t exist.

I know what you are going to say next, “Have you yourself ever seen the curvature of the Ear-”, but let me stop you for a sec and tell you that when you think everything is Alex Jones, you should maybe look at yourself and ask the question “Maybe I am Alex Jones?”

How do I come back at someone calling me a fed? Fuck, I don’t have any good arguments pro compliance … Guess I’m going to show how stupid and crazy they are by being a pedant Haha, that’ll show 'em

^you probably

Why doesn’t Debian do it instead of systemd? Let the distros decide on the plan of action, this is clearly not something that systemd has to decide. The people maintaining systemd are leveraging the fact that their shite software runs on more than 95% of Linux machines. That is an abuse of power. What is weird too is compliance ahead of time. Compliance ahead of time makes sense with cars, but software can be updated immediately when necessary.

Look it’s mr. Fort Lauderdale again^

I guess such a response can only come from the head of a “rioting pacifist”. You turn up at the protest but always keep a distance of 50 yards from the crowd so you can say you were part of something while having done nothing. It’s exactly people like you who would have told critics of Franco that they’re delusional and would report people for going outside to catch a breath of fresh air during martial law. All the while broadcasting your liberal virtues of pacifism and political action in all directions.

You are someone who couldn’t get into the NSA and all the other cool agencies, or your country’s equivalent should you not be US American. No badge, no ID number, no nuthin’ - just your computer and you. Should you actually work for the govt. then that reflects rather poorly on the government; You are an awfully unconvincing propagandist. Incapable of reading comments and engaging clearly in serious discussions. I would fire you if you astroturfed for me. God knows, you are so shit at it that I think it’s likely that you are an LLM.

I think you vastly over estimate the importance of the reddit/lemmy-sphere freaking out over this.

I don’t. The people I know in real life don’t take lightly to the changes.

And the more insane the slippery slopes you imagine skiing down […]

This is the fallacy fallacy. There is a precedent for freaking out. Foreign routers being banned, countries and regions stating that this is only the beginning for age verification, you name it. Anyone who submits to that in any way unambiguously invites the new order that is enforced upon them, I say that in regard to systemd specifically.

The fact that there isn’t a serious programmer making a fork[…]

No serious programmer is forking systemd because systemd is more or less doing kernel tasks besides the Linux kernel… and then some. This violates GNU best practices. Not to mention openrc and plenty of other init systems existing as a yet uncompromised alternative. Also you are twisting what I am saying, I specifically am not promoting the fork in the article.

If it’s the vast majority of Linux users, how come there was not one that’s read the systemd docs?

You didn’t see the barrage of critism under the pull request, did you? Makes me wonder if you read anything at all.

milktoast law

The law is not at all non-trivial or milquetoast. With ID verification and other methods of age verification you absolutely can unmask users online if states demand APIs be implemented.

You sound like a narc btw!

My argument is that most people don’t work in software and don’t know what a config file even is, this includes people who are the targets of persecution They might know how to install GrapheneOS or Mint and get the Tor browser but beyond that there is little they can do. systemd comes along and paves the way to ruining the much of libre software. If someone needs to be anonymous right now or else they are in danger, like a whistleblower with described skillset, can’t just create quick patches or implement experimental patches made by others. This is especially concerning with solutions that use external services to verify age.

Finally someone who’s read into the issue

They don’t publish an OS so they have no obligation to do anything more, actual implementation would have to happen in other projects

Why are the people who decide on changes to systemd implementing stuff that the vast majority of Linux users vehemently reject? +Things that they have no legal obligation of adding I might add.

What this is, is a spite-fork

No one deeply cares about the spite fork. It’s weird that commentators have suddenly become very acclimatised to the systemd changes. A few days ago people were asking themselves why a rando got through with an intensely disliked pull request and now we are here.

Context matters. Systemd did this as a reaction to frankly insane laws. They didn’t have to do anything like this, yet they did and comparing this to changing and creating files manually in vim misses the point entirely. Intentionally doing something is very different from a feature being natively present.

YOU control what info goes there, if any. It mandates NOTHING.

Until closed source or even open source programs demand an ID verified age from the OS. When that happens you are forced to unmask yourself and the systemd shit is the first step to making such an API possible. It normalizes genuinely insane demands that add nothing for the users except compliance.

No, what they have done is kowtowing.

What systemd has done is the following: They went “we speak for the distros utilizing our program now”

The prospect of being prompted to submit an ID is not useful for making decisions in the here and now? As far as I understand it, this is the concrete danger. California lawmakers and lawmakers from elsewhere have indicated that this is only the beginning.

opinionated

Greta Thunberg is just an opinionated individual. Gotcha.

I don’t know what this derailment is ultimately trying to say honestly.

Ah yes and the dissidents using Linux who don’t know a lick of C can just simply mod their OSes

Will you still say that when they implement ID checking functionality?