I’m glad you don’t, what I mean is that for a lot of people, participating in a democracy rarely goes beyond voting every cycle, even if they do other actions that can be considered participation to democracy

Well I don’t know specifically what methods you’ve used so far, but in my circles, it would be something like this:

First we stop preaching to “them” as if they were a singular organised group, and instead talk to the individuals. We tie their concrete issues to direct political thought and action, and later we start widening their perspective on a criticism of the system to help them understand the powers at play. Also we drop the tribalist “reactionary” label and look at it from a class warfare perspective BUT we make the effort to deconstruct any misaligned/ignorant/bigoted/you-name-it views.

Organise, unionise!

Which to be fair, is kind of the case for a majority of the population, which is perfectly fine for, and encouraged by, the people of power

Yeah I mean what about that other thread? I didn’t feel like there was that big of a fallout in the comments, it sounds a bit overdramatic, unless you meant something else.

About the yellow vests, no that is not what I’m saying, I’m not sure how or why you could reach to that conclusion. I’m giving an example of how a political movement started from concrete material issues that the working class experienced. In fact, the yellow vests managed to get slight concessions. There is no connection that would suggest that movement led to the authoritarian drift in France (those were already experimented in french suburbs, and extensively used to kill any protests moving forward, very good analysis of police brutality in France here https://shs.cairn.info/revue-mouvements-2017-4-page-38).

Are we sure we’re both talking about the 2010s Tunisia protests? I don’t see how this is linked in any way with Hamas. It started from the immolation of Mohamed Bouazizi in protest to police corruption and the job crisis (among other things), experienced at that time. Those again started from concrete issues, and then evolved in criticism of the systems and powers in place. I’m hoping you’re not making a link between the Arab Spring and Hamas out of ignorance and essentialization, the former started in Maghreb, the latter in the Middle East.

I feel like you’re jumping to conclusions a bit too quickly, linking end-states of governmental action to the premises of various protests. I don’t know, there’s so many examples in history that contradict your premise:

• The Yellow Vests protesting gas price hikes didn’t lead to the french government adopting far right methodology (Macron has been in power two years before that, and already exhibited nazi-compatible behaviour, even Hollande showcased signs of authoritarianism as early as 2015).
• The Arab Spring did not lead to a branch of Hamas being a terrorist organization (it exists since 1987 and was being labelled as such as early as 1995).
• The Boston Tea Party protesting the Tea Act of 1773, the Haymarket riots protesting 8-hour workdays in 1886, the Seattle General Strike of 1919 over wage cuts… they didn’t lead to slavery in the U.S. The Atlantic slave trade started as early as the 15th century.
• The Catalan CNT rent strikes in 1931 over evictions didn’t lead to slavery, also they won rent controls before the Civil War and Franco’s takeover (1936).
• Slavery didn’t spawn in the UK out of the London Matchgirls’ strike of 1888 over fines.

So yeah we might have a misunderstanding because I don’t understand why you would want to argue that protests starting from concrete material conditions automatically leads to slavery. All the progress we made for workers rights, and human rights, were taken from the powers in place thanks to people organizing, very often thanks to anarchist organizations. My point is just that it all started from concrete issues, that the working class was able to transform into something bigger politically, which explains why some (let’s say, less politically educated-) U.S. citizen are starting to protest only once material issues (gas price hikes) are hitting them, rather than the abstract (to them) wars waged by their government in foreign countries.

It’s our job to turn this reaction into organized political action against their government, and no, it does not end automatically in slavery.

I feel like some points you make are a bit unrelated?

• what fallout?
• yellow vests and the french government giving in to nazis have no relation to one another, but happy to expand on that specific part if you’d like, there a cool article on the subject that summarizes key elements to this movement, translate at your convenience
• what does hamas have to do in any of this?

I’m not sure I understand your point but explaining how movements start with material triggers doesn’t mean we have to align with governments

Copy pasting a comment I made on a similar meme

Not to give excuses for people but it’s also perfectly reasonable to express concern for something that directly affects one’s daily life, before an abstract system of domination.

Moral evaluation is overridden when one’s purchasing power and thus livelihood is threatened. The Yellow Vests in France started because of a gas price hike, and then transformed into a political movement. The Boston Tea Party into the American Revolution. Police Corruption in Tunisia into the Arab Spring… It always starts with concrete issues and then expands in critic of the system.

You absolutely can, and if members of your instance would like to submit in another language, they can as well 🤗

With sausages (or plant based alternatives), potatoes, carrots, rice, classic cultural dish from my family, enjoy the constipation

No indeed, instead of being elected they get appointed as members of the government by Emmanuel Macron

Not to give excuses for people but it’s also perfectly reasonable to express concern for something that directly affects one’s daily life, rather than before an abstract system of domination.

Moral evaluation is overridden when one’s purchasing power and thus livelihood is threatened. The Yellow Vests in France started because of a gas price hike, and then transformed into a political movement. The Boston Tea Party into the American Revolution. Police Corruption in Tunisia into the Arab Spring… It always starts with concrete issues and then expands in critic of the system.