Skiluros

Why can’t you provide real world examples if we are supposed to take you at your word. This should be extremely easy.

Note that I said: “attitudes, views, perspective, key historical points relevant to this conversation, no meaningless generalities.”

and it’s really just the capitalist with minimal regulation bit that’s consistently there in all the branches.

I do not find the last piece convincing because of certain real world examples (I’ve lived there for multiple years and speak the local language). Keep in mind that I don’t mean this a straightforward way, based on your reply, there may be things that you’ haven’t considered.

Capitalism (not necessarily American-style oligarchy, or American style capitalism themed polemics and propaganda) is supported by almost everyone outside of tiny niches; it’s definitely not only supported liberals, so the capitalist identification is meaningless.

Not that “capitalist with minimal regulation” is going to be helpful in the first place.

You couldn’t even answer the kindergarten-level question:

a liberal in Moldova, Oman and the US are all the same and “capitalist with minimal regulation” is all that they are?

If anarchists believe this to be true, then they should say it openly. But I think everyone understands how stupid that would sound.

Not to be overly uncharitable, but this is why a lot of English speaking (as a first language) self-identifying leftists come off as online roleplayers.

If anything, if what you are saying is true, it only reinforces the notion that the obsession with “liberals” among internet leftists is mostly US-specific shitposting deeply tainted with American provincialism and lack of curiosity.

I told you that I am happy that his (adult) family members who benefited from the regime were killed. I never said anything about ordering the killing of protestors being my sole red line (and we both know at least some of his family have been involved in organising the killings), so why are you asking me about this?

What do you want me to say? That killing Khamenei was wrong? That killings his adult family was wrong?

I am not going to say that. It’s good that Khanenei was killed and it’s good that his adult family members were killed. Doesn’t matter if it was Israel, Islamic state or aliens from Pluto.

You claimed that I was using a framing and her grand dsughter as shield then get mad when I say that you defend the usa actions.

I said what I said because that’s how it comes off to me, what’s not clear?

What does being happy that Khamenei (and his adult family members who benefited from the regime) being killed have to do with supporting Israel and the US? I explained my issue with Khamenei, did I not?

Even if the Islamic state killed Khamenei (or Putin), I would see that as a great thing. Even though I would be one of the first in lines for an execution as an atheist if I happened to end up in an area controlled by IS.

the US-centric definition is effectively a subset of the general definition

Are you sure about that? Can you cite a real world comparative example with specifics (attitudes, views, perspective, key historical points relevant to this conversation)? No meaningless generalities.

It’s the outside-the-US meaning that anarchists would typically use … when viewed from a leftist perspective, as they’re both capitalist with minimal regulation

If that’s the case, are you saying that a liberal in Moldova, Oman and the US are all the same and “capitalist with minimal regulation” is all that they are?

And the points above are just the tip of the iceberg, the kindergarten-level stuff.

So here is another question, so when you say liberals in Oman and the US are a subset of the same thing, do anarchists have the final call of defining who qualifies as a liberal in Oman (or any other country)? Does self identification as liberal play any role or not? This is not a gotcha per se., well, maybe a little bit, I am referring to something specific :), but I am genuinely curious what you have to say on this.

I will say it again, this really is fascinating. There is a certain abstract beauty to the whole obsession with “libs” among American internet “leftists”.

I find their obsession with the term “libs” fascinating.

It has a very different meaning outside of the US. Which goes to show that their whole “but my global south!!” is fake and performative.

Where is the defence of US and Israel on my part? Stop putting words in my mouth.

I said I am glad Khamenei got killed, he deserved it. And that’s true irrespective of what I think of the US or Israel (which may be a lot less positive than what you think).

This is news to me, a minor is of course not a legitimate target. But your framing makes it seem like you are using her as a shield of sorts.

I will note Khamenei (and his regime-aligned family members) have no issues with all the Ukrainian children killed and maimed by the russians, or hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian children abducted into brutal reeducation camps. Not to mention the killing of Iranian protesters…

Why can’t one be happy with the death of Khamenei (and several of his family members who were part of the regime)?

I am from Ukraine and Khamenei supported russia’s genocidal invasion of my country (including assassination attempts against our leaders).

I personally hope the Cuban leadership will also be killed by Trump. They sent many thousands of soldiers to help the russian invasion.

One would almost think this a joke screenshot.