I think Miaa is not talking about the literal rights they fought for, but largely a commentary on women collectively valuing financial independence from being a couple over more traditional couple based partnership.
I’ve been watching the argument unfold on the traditionalist side but they aren’t great at articulating what they are trying to say. So it always looks like rage inducing over simplification.
On the female TikTok side of the Internet, there’s a lot of sentiment from women expressing disdain for the idea of going 50-50 with a man, and a lot of preference for men that out earn them. That’s inconsistent from a financial independence mindset.
Then you have the women like Miaa who were like, housewife is easier than ever with the technological innovations you already mentioned. ‘Why not just be a homemaker if guys appreciate that and are willing to take care of you?’
Then the red pill guys are another party in the conversation, and they are saying things like, what women say they want and their actions don’t seem to be aligning and a lot of them are either done dating or at minimum have no intention of long term commitment. "Women say equality but not when the check comes. They want men to be open with their emotions but it gives them ‘the ick’. Men shouldn’t approach women in public because it’s creepy, but now the internet is flooded with women asking where men went and why they are being so effeminate. " That’s the kind of thinking I’m seeing in those circles.
It’s a big mess! Do I have a fix? Nope, just commenting on the forest fire from my vantage point. I’m just thankful I’m not in the dating market.
Hopefully it’s just whining from the vocal minorites that make all this content, and the majority of people are still balanced people that aren’t aspiring content creators and are basically happily living their lives so we don’t hear from them. Please, confirmation bias, be something good for a change. Be the fog obscuring the true good. 🤞
and they are saying things like, what women say they want and their actions don’t seem to be aligning and a lot of them are either done dating or at minimum have no intention of long term commitment. "Women say equality but not when the check comes. They want men to be open with their emotions but it gives them ‘the ick’. Men shouldn’t approach women in public because it’s creepy, but now the internet is flooded with women asking where men went and why they are being so effeminate. " That’s the kind of thinking I’m seeing in those circles.
You don’t have to be a “red pill guy” to point out those inconsistencies. You did it yourself:
there’s a lot of sentiment from women expressing disdain for the idea of going 50-50 with a man, and a lot of preference for men that out earn them. That’s inconsistent from a financial independence mindset.
It’s kind of destructive to promote this cultural mindset where pointing out logical inconsistencies is seen as toxic. You can remove gender from that equation and it would still hold true.
No one who says guys showing their emotions gives them the ick can truthfully call themselves a feminist. That’s toxic masculinity. The same applies for women who still insist that men should pay for dates.
Women can promote patriarchy and toxic masculinity, and many do without realizing it, while calling themselves feminists. “Gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss” would have bell hooks rolling in her grave. Likewise, men can be harmed by patriarchy, and toxic masculinity arguably harms men the most.
What people so often miss is that simply pointing out these common logical inconsistencies, is not the same as generalizing them and accusing “all women” as some abstract concept of doing it. People are quick to ridicule someone for saying “not all men are toxic assholes,” but the “not all women” argument is implicit in the whole “how dare you point out anything wrong that any woman has ever said or done?!?” mentality.
Wondering why men don’t approach women anymore isn’t really promoting toxic masculinity, but it is kind of silly since it’s just a logical consequence of treating every man who approaches a woman as some predatory pickup artist. And pointing out that the men who ignore that obvious disdain and do it anyway are the men who don’t have respect for women and boundaries, shouldn’t be viewed as “incel” logic, because then you’re basically focusing your ire on the person who says “Oh, women don’t like being approached. Okay then, I won’t approach women.”
Of course, people will probably call me names for this, because how dare I express an unpopular or uncomfortable opinion? In my view, the taboo topics are often the most important to talk about. Society won’t benefit from more misandristic circlejerks, if it would we’d be living in an egalitarian utopia by now.
No one who says guys showing their emotions gives them the ick can truthfully call themselves a feminist. That’s toxic masculinity. The same applies for women who still insist that men should pay for dates.
Yeah, too many tiktok pseudofeminists are spreading this lie that “feminism” means “women participating in patriarchy” and that “smash the patriarchy” means “give hell to any man who shows weakness, because he’s an easier target than the ones who are actually in power.”
Is that even true though? That men don’t approach women anymore, or are they just trying to radicalize the incels more by telling them “your fellows don’t want women anyway”.
Sure, you right, I didn’t mean to imply you need to be a member of a particular community to think there’s a logical point being made. Just meant to point out that there are interesting points being made scattered in every viewpoint.
I guess my goal was to kind of show that all these groups at war with one another are kind of talking past each other without really communicating.
And then I see them railing into the void about it as if that’s an attempt at communication, meanwhile those people don’t realize there are just as many people answering, but everyone is in echo chambers so the algorithm isn’t going to spoon feed it to them.
They’d actively have to be looking for the answer in places that make them uncomfortable.
I think Miaa is not talking about the literal rights they fought for, but largely a commentary on women collectively valuing financial independence from being a couple over more traditional couple based partnership.
I’ve been watching the argument unfold on the traditionalist side but they aren’t great at articulating what they are trying to say. So it always looks like rage inducing over simplification.
On the female TikTok side of the Internet, there’s a lot of sentiment from women expressing disdain for the idea of going 50-50 with a man, and a lot of preference for men that out earn them. That’s inconsistent from a financial independence mindset.
Then you have the women like Miaa who were like, housewife is easier than ever with the technological innovations you already mentioned. ‘Why not just be a homemaker if guys appreciate that and are willing to take care of you?’
Then the red pill guys are another party in the conversation, and they are saying things like, what women say they want and their actions don’t seem to be aligning and a lot of them are either done dating or at minimum have no intention of long term commitment. "Women say equality but not when the check comes. They want men to be open with their emotions but it gives them ‘the ick’. Men shouldn’t approach women in public because it’s creepy, but now the internet is flooded with women asking where men went and why they are being so effeminate. " That’s the kind of thinking I’m seeing in those circles.
It’s a big mess! Do I have a fix? Nope, just commenting on the forest fire from my vantage point. I’m just thankful I’m not in the dating market.
Hopefully it’s just whining from the vocal minorites that make all this content, and the majority of people are still balanced people that aren’t aspiring content creators and are basically happily living their lives so we don’t hear from them. Please, confirmation bias, be something good for a change. Be the fog obscuring the true good. 🤞
You don’t have to be a “red pill guy” to point out those inconsistencies. You did it yourself:
It’s kind of destructive to promote this cultural mindset where pointing out logical inconsistencies is seen as toxic. You can remove gender from that equation and it would still hold true.
No one who says guys showing their emotions gives them the ick can truthfully call themselves a feminist. That’s toxic masculinity. The same applies for women who still insist that men should pay for dates.
Women can promote patriarchy and toxic masculinity, and many do without realizing it, while calling themselves feminists. “Gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss” would have bell hooks rolling in her grave. Likewise, men can be harmed by patriarchy, and toxic masculinity arguably harms men the most.
What people so often miss is that simply pointing out these common logical inconsistencies, is not the same as generalizing them and accusing “all women” as some abstract concept of doing it. People are quick to ridicule someone for saying “not all men are toxic assholes,” but the “not all women” argument is implicit in the whole “how dare you point out anything wrong that any woman has ever said or done?!?” mentality.
Wondering why men don’t approach women anymore isn’t really promoting toxic masculinity, but it is kind of silly since it’s just a logical consequence of treating every man who approaches a woman as some predatory pickup artist. And pointing out that the men who ignore that obvious disdain and do it anyway are the men who don’t have respect for women and boundaries, shouldn’t be viewed as “incel” logic, because then you’re basically focusing your ire on the person who says “Oh, women don’t like being approached. Okay then, I won’t approach women.”
Of course, people will probably call me names for this, because how dare I express an unpopular or uncomfortable opinion? In my view, the taboo topics are often the most important to talk about. Society won’t benefit from more misandristic circlejerks, if it would we’d be living in an egalitarian utopia by now.
I love this part, deserves to be repeated.
Yeah, too many tiktok pseudofeminists are spreading this lie that “feminism” means “women participating in patriarchy” and that “smash the patriarchy” means “give hell to any man who shows weakness, because he’s an easier target than the ones who are actually in power.”
What do you guys and gals care anyway. You are ex-redditors. If you didn’t find someone, you probably won’t.
You don’t have to worry about men/women relationships.
speak for yourself mate
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Is that even true though? That men don’t approach women anymore, or are they just trying to radicalize the incels more by telling them “your fellows don’t want women anyway”.
Sure, you right, I didn’t mean to imply you need to be a member of a particular community to think there’s a logical point being made. Just meant to point out that there are interesting points being made scattered in every viewpoint.
I guess my goal was to kind of show that all these groups at war with one another are kind of talking past each other without really communicating.
And then I see them railing into the void about it as if that’s an attempt at communication, meanwhile those people don’t realize there are just as many people answering, but everyone is in echo chambers so the algorithm isn’t going to spoon feed it to them.
They’d actively have to be looking for the answer in places that make them uncomfortable.