Ok this sucks, but there is something that seems to be not implied. Wait one day, then confirm with biometrics, then decide if you want this only this time, or 1 week, or forever. You have to only deal with this one time if you choose forever (as long as you don’t reinstall, I assume).
This is by no means ideal, but I think I’m ok with this. In a way I believe the rhetoric they are framing, to protect the vulnerable populace (e.g. the elderly) from frauds. For your phone, you can get the hurdle over one time, if you are installing for your parent you can do “don’t ask me for a week, or ask me again everytime”, so they don’t install something malicious as part of a guided “tech support”. Not saying that will prevent all and any spams but it will add some barrier. Just my opinion though, I could be off base with this.
You’re off base with this. Almost unbelievably so.
They know they aren’t concerned with scams, why are you pretending? The move is to restrict competition and improve surveillance capacity as much as possible with as much legal protection as possible for Google. “Vulnerable people” don’t typically know how to use F-Droid, and scammers would take a week to find out am effective alternative even if this was somehow their main tactic; which it is not and they did fine before it was an option.
I own my phone. I get to pick what is installed on it. The fucking mandatory Google apps were already too far, this is straight up telegraphing intent to commodify as much of my life as they can get access to. Even beyond how fucking bad this is for the overall health of tech development and sovereignty, I dont want a company that is complicit with a fascist state to force me or anyone else who would challenge that state to register our fucking identities with them. For all I fucking know, they’d get me thrown into a camp as readily as they’d cut off my access to pirated media. You think it’s a coincidence they’re doing this shit at the same time liberals and fascists are desperately trying to seize some kind of control over the internet? It’s for grandma’s safety? The fuck it is.
I dont want a company that is complicit with a fascist state to force me or anyone else who would challenge that state to register our fucking identities with them.
Now in fairness to google, they’re complicit with multiple fascist states.
Don’t get me wrong, I totally agree with you. I bought my device, I should own it and install whatever the fuck I want. Whatever the fuck google is doing is putting barrier in opening “their market to other stores”. This is malicious compliance in google’s part that 'oh yeah you can install from whatever source but you gotta do this list of ridiculous thing before you do". I am only surprised the “install from any source” isn’t a paid ‘DLC’.
I do realize when I wrote what I wrote, I sound like a employee from the marketing department of google. My words “I think I’m ok with this” is probably wrong, more like I kinda understand the notion behind it, (assuming a world where they were doing this in good faith, which they are not).
But. Scams are a thing, and elderly are good targets, something to help against that (which wasn’t apparently an issue until now for google) would be great. What they are offering does help a bit, but it’s not a good way. I do hope there will be a better solution than this.
This would mean something if the old people google is pretending to give a shit about couldn’t already download all sorts of scammy shit from google’s official store.
The same with “oh we need the app creator/publisher to register so people don’t submit random shitty apps”. <looks at google’s play store populated with bunch of random shitty, scammy apps>
Ok this sucks, but there is something that seems to be not implied. Wait one day, then confirm with biometrics, then decide if you want this only this time, or 1 week, or forever. You have to only deal with this one time if you choose forever (as long as you don’t reinstall, I assume).
This is by no means ideal, but I think I’m ok with this. In a way I believe the rhetoric they are framing, to protect the vulnerable populace (e.g. the elderly) from frauds. For your phone, you can get the hurdle over one time, if you are installing for your parent you can do “don’t ask me for a week, or ask me again everytime”, so they don’t install something malicious as part of a guided “tech support”. Not saying that will prevent all and any spams but it will add some barrier. Just my opinion though, I could be off base with this.
I do wish that 1 day waiting was a bit shorter.
You’re off base with this. Almost unbelievably so.
They know they aren’t concerned with scams, why are you pretending? The move is to restrict competition and improve surveillance capacity as much as possible with as much legal protection as possible for Google. “Vulnerable people” don’t typically know how to use F-Droid, and scammers would take a week to find out am effective alternative even if this was somehow their main tactic; which it is not and they did fine before it was an option.
I own my phone. I get to pick what is installed on it. The fucking mandatory Google apps were already too far, this is straight up telegraphing intent to commodify as much of my life as they can get access to. Even beyond how fucking bad this is for the overall health of tech development and sovereignty, I dont want a company that is complicit with a fascist state to force me or anyone else who would challenge that state to register our fucking identities with them. For all I fucking know, they’d get me thrown into a camp as readily as they’d cut off my access to pirated media. You think it’s a coincidence they’re doing this shit at the same time liberals and fascists are desperately trying to seize some kind of control over the internet? It’s for grandma’s safety? The fuck it is.
Now in fairness to google, they’re complicit with multiple fascist states.
Don’t get me wrong, I totally agree with you. I bought my device, I should own it and install whatever the fuck I want. Whatever the fuck google is doing is putting barrier in opening “their market to other stores”. This is malicious compliance in google’s part that 'oh yeah you can install from whatever source but you gotta do this list of ridiculous thing before you do". I am only surprised the “install from any source” isn’t a paid ‘DLC’.
I do realize when I wrote what I wrote, I sound like a employee from the marketing department of google. My words “I think I’m ok with this” is probably wrong, more like I kinda understand the notion behind it, (assuming a world where they were doing this in good faith, which they are not).
But. Scams are a thing, and elderly are good targets, something to help against that (which wasn’t apparently an issue until now for google) would be great. What they are offering does help a bit, but it’s not a good way. I do hope there will be a better solution than this.
This would mean something if the old people google is pretending to give a shit about couldn’t already download all sorts of scammy shit from google’s official store.
Yes exactly.
The same with “oh we need the app creator/publisher to register so people don’t submit random shitty apps”. <looks at google’s play store populated with bunch of random shitty, scammy apps>