• Rivalarrival@lemmy.today
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      7 days ago

      “He’s going to get violent if I take his glass, so I need to take his glass.”

      That argument is a condemnation of her actions, not a justification.

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          3 days ago

          Yep! Already covered that. We already agreed that the throwing of the drink in her face, while provoked, was unjustified. We already agreed that it was a misdemeanor offense.

          4th degree assault is a misdemeanor. $500 fine.

          Prosecutors always initially overcharge to scare defendants into a plea deal. 4th degree assault just doesn’t fit the circumstances. Even Menacing is a bit of a stretch, but I expect he’ll plead down to Menacing just to make it go away. Class B misdemeanor. $250 fine.

          Her grabbing the drink was not justified. His throwing the drink was not justified. Her striking him in the face was not justified. His pushing her away was justified. The kick was questionable. The brandishing of the beer bottle was not justified. The shove was justified. His two attempts at retreat despite her continued attacks are rather damning to a 4th Degree Assault charge; he only used physical force against her when she posed a threat.

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            3 days ago

            Prosecutors always initially overcharge to scare defendants into a plea deal.

            Lol mr lawyer at it again 🙄

    • nullspace@lemmy.world
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      7 days ago

      If you think so then hopefully she learned a valuable lesson about choosing to grab someone’s drink, causing them to spill it everywhere. Not a good idea to do that to someone you think is going to get violent.

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        7 days ago

        she learned a valuable lesson about choosing to grab someone’s drink

        Why are you blaming her for him assaulting her? Grabbing a drink isn’t assault.

        What is she supposed to learn here?

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          7 days ago

          I’m saying it’s a bad idea to try and snatch someone’s drink when you think they’re going to get violent. Or really, it’s bad in any situation where you’re not a bouncer.

          If you want to read into that and assign blame to the woman in the video then that’s entirely on you.

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          7 days ago

          Well shit, if you’re gonna ignore half the video then hopefully you learned a valuable lesson about the kinds of replies you’ll get.

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            7 days ago

            You watched a video of unjustified totally disgusting assault because a woman told a guy she didn’t wanna date and your response is “hope she learned something”

            Your skull is empty.

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              7 days ago

              You keep replying like you’re reading my posts, but you refuse to acknowledge what I’m saying like you refuse to acknowledge the first few seconds of the video.

              Get your own skull checked out.

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                7 days ago

                hopefully she learned a valuable lesson

                You’re saying fucking stupid shit.

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                    7 days ago

                    hopefully she learned a valuable lesson

                    I’m sure they’re the dip shit when you’re out here saying this stupid fucking garbage. Smgdmfh