Was 3.5 million dead in the Holodomor not enough for you? Holy shit. Touch grass.
Ha ha! There it is, the .world liberal screeching about the debunked HolODoMoR!!!
debunked? are you arguing that it wasn’t a genocide, or are you suggesting it straight up didn’t happen?
Nobody denies that the famine happened, the idea that it was a genocide, ie intentionally directed, was fabricated, and this is abundantly clear based on historical archives.
some do, actually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_denialit seems like the arguments that it was a genocide hinge on more than just the famine itself. a lot of people consider genocide to encompass more than just murdering people, but also the targeted destruction of a people’s culture.
from what i’ve read, if the famine wasn’t deliberately engineered, then it was certainly a world-class bungle, where stalin et al made consistently stupid decisions that made the situation worse. they didn’t need to enact and enforce laws preventing people from gathering leftover grain left in the fields. they didn’t need to prevent starving people from leaving their home towns in search of better conditions. they didn’t need to focus on exporting food while their own people resorted to cannibalism. they didn’t need to demand so much tribute, even going door to door taking food from people’s cupboards, and taking from the seeds set aside for next years planting.
i can totally get suspecting malice, rather than accepting that that level of incompetence was genuine. while i haven’t personally studied the subject enough to have any concrete conclusions, the genocide question seems less cut and dry than you make it out to be.
Denial of the Holodomor is the claim that a 1932–33 man-made famine that killed millions in Soviet Ukraine,[1] did not occur[2][3][4] or was exaggerated.
Emphasis mine. I deny that a man-made, intentional famine occured. I don’t deny that millions died.
What you have is a very narrow frame of view, it’s also true that the kulaks burned their grain and killed their livestock to resist collectivization, that adverse weather conditions kicked off the famine to begin with, and that the Ukrainian communist officials witheld information from the Politburo to hide how bad it was, and that Stalin immediately ordered aid to be sent upon finding out.
There was also no directed cultural erasure. There was promotion of both a soviet identity among all in the USSR, alongside national identity in each of the SFSRs and SSRs.
It’s a tragedy, one that had a combination of human error and weather disasters.
No, there is an endless supply of evidence that Joseph Stalin willingly starved millions of Ukrainians out of his extreme hatred for the White race. Furthermore, Ukraine never experienced a famine in the millennia before Stalin forced communism on everyone, and there was not a single instance of drought, plant disease or vermin activity either. All of this is well documented, universally agreed upon by good historians, and I can give you all the proof in the world. All that you have to do is solve this CAPTCHA to prove that you are not a robot:
