There’s a lot of innocent people in Israel that are fighting against the current regime, just like in your country. Don’t damn them just because you’re angry.
Support for Netanyahu’s party has gone up since 2023 and support for the opposition has gone down.
There comes a time when you have to admit that the apple is too rotten to be saved. Nothing will change anytime soon; if anything it will only get worse.
…are you saying that the solution for genocide is more genocide? There are a lot of innocent people in Israel. We should not be nuking those people just because their government is failing them. And likewise, the innocent people of ALL countries (including yours :) should be spared when fixing the problems caused by a corrupt government.
Nuking countries when your goal is to stop their leaders isn’t an option. Sorry. Try again.
No other country has this much popular support for an ethno-supremacist nationalist policy of extermination. Even the US, which is the most hated worldwide right now, sits at 30% support, at best. The “innocent” people of Israel (if you can call people who serve in the IDF that) can always go back to the countries they came from before colonizing a land that wasn’t theirs, that was stolen through murder and displacement.
I’m not pretending to know the solution, but the time for peaceful resolution has passed by at least 70 years. Any solution that comes now will involve violence against one side or the other. Thinking otherwise is utopian nonsense.
There are several generations of Israelis born Israelis. They don’t have anywhere they are from to return to.
I agree there is no realistic solution without genocide in sight, but that is not an excuse to support more genocide.
The isrealis need to be condemned and isolated from international support. After we accomplish that, we can re evaluate. They might not be so bloodthirsty if the US and other countries weren’t so ride or die for the IDF.
Israelis can easily travel to Europe and the US. For example, in Germany, they can get citizenship if they can prove German descent. In other places they have advantaged programs for immigration compared to other non West countries. Choosing to stay is embracing Zionism. That’s the only peaceful solution, which obviously isn’t going to happen when 70-80% support the status quo and further expansionism.
The majority of the Jewish population of Isreal are decended from the Soviet Union and the Middle East. When Isreal was founded 10s of thousands of Jews lived in North Africa and other middle eastern countries. Nearly all of them moved to Israel, and those countries will not welcome their children and grandchildren back.
Its obviously hyperbole. Completely carpet bombing the population isnt a step I would want to take. But if Israel disappeared overnight, I surely wouldnt miss it.
Also, lets not downplay the killing of thousands and thousands of innocents by Israel.
Nobody disagrees with protecting innocent lives, well except Israel and the US. What you are doing is deflecting from the genocide and protecting the attackers. Otherwise you wouldnt reiterate on a point already covered.
Nope, you either failed to read my comment or understand it. Or you are being purposely malicious. We will go with the second option, given your relentless ignorance.
Why do you say his take is weird? You’re the one arguing against those of us saying that no more innocent people should be killed. If you think it’s weird and extreme, then fix it yourself. You’re the one expressing it, not us.
doesnt seem like alot, if a majority is openly supporting it, plus they have international jewish people and thier backers supporting the zionist regime. the time to get rid of benny was him getting sent to jailed and not get elected. more or less we hear very little from opposition of bibi since the oct 7 attack.
its a ridiculously tiny minority. And leaving Israel in that region means letting them continue their war crimes, and you know that. There is really no way around it. The only ethical solution is to eject them from the region entirely. The 8 year bloodbath needs to end.
We can’t be opposed to the Gazan genocide and at the same time use genocidal language like “ejecting them from the region.” Them being Jewish people. Yes Israel should be sanctioned, and militarily invaded. Benjamin Netenyahu should be assassinated, and the country needs to be rid of the Zionist ideology. But there is simply no way to mass migrate a large population without great pain and suffering.
Plus, if the Israeli people, the citizens not the elitist leaders and soldiers, were moved from their country, where would they go? To cause more violence in the regions they move to? The Israeli people have been subject to large scale mass international propaganda, they need to be deradicilized, not treated like parasites.
I agree with having a firm, radical opposition to genocide, but individually, morally it is not good to use words like “flatten” or “eject.” I understand the anger, I think we all feel it.
We can’t be opposed to the Gazan genocide and at the same time use genocidal language like “ejecting them from the region.” Them being Jewish people.
yes, we can
That you don’t says so much about you and your values, it is also a reflection of the live you’ve led.
Israel has no right to exist and by the wills of the Palestinians it would be extinguished, I’m so sick of western liberals and armchair arbitrators trying to support their government funded colonial project.
If you still feel that Jews deserve their own space/country, carve out a giant hole on a map between Germany and Poland and move them back there, that’s where they came from and belong. Let’s see how long Europeans do a Holocaust 2.0
Leaving them in the region obviously leads to an even worse outcome. They murder every day and dont consider others to be humans with any rights at all.
And I flatly disagree that ejecting them is genocide. Equating the two is flatly untrue. If you need to define that as true then it must be true that the zionists genocided 750,000 people in the nakba, along with however many they just genocided in gaza, the west bank, syria, and Lebanon.
There’s a lot of innocent people in Israel that are fighting against the current regime, just like in your country. Don’t damn them just because you’re angry.
Support for Netanyahu’s party has gone up since 2023 and support for the opposition has gone down.
There comes a time when you have to admit that the apple is too rotten to be saved. Nothing will change anytime soon; if anything it will only get worse.
…are you saying that the solution for genocide is more genocide? There are a lot of innocent people in Israel. We should not be nuking those people just because their government is failing them. And likewise, the innocent people of ALL countries (including yours :) should be spared when fixing the problems caused by a corrupt government.
Nuking countries when your goal is to stop their leaders isn’t an option. Sorry. Try again.
Israel not existing is not a genocide against Jews.
It would be a genocide against isrealis.
Israel could stop existing without a single person dying.
It wouldn’t happen, but it could.
Exile, statelessness, and ethnic cleansing are forms of genocide.
It’s not exile if you’re not from there.
You’re not stateless if you’re not from there.
It’s not ethnic cleansing if you are a colonizer being removed.
With that said I don’t generally think that Israelis born there should be removed. But that’s up to the Palestinians, it’s their land.
Were whites genocided with the fall of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa?
No other country has this much popular support for an ethno-supremacist nationalist policy of extermination. Even the US, which is the most hated worldwide right now, sits at 30% support, at best. The “innocent” people of Israel (if you can call people who serve in the IDF that) can always go back to the countries they came from before colonizing a land that wasn’t theirs, that was stolen through murder and displacement.
I’m not pretending to know the solution, but the time for peaceful resolution has passed by at least 70 years. Any solution that comes now will involve violence against one side or the other. Thinking otherwise is utopian nonsense.
There are several generations of Israelis born Israelis. They don’t have anywhere they are from to return to.
I agree there is no realistic solution without genocide in sight, but that is not an excuse to support more genocide.
The isrealis need to be condemned and isolated from international support. After we accomplish that, we can re evaluate. They might not be so bloodthirsty if the US and other countries weren’t so ride or die for the IDF.
Also important to note that Palestine was a very diverse place before the occupation began.
The problem isn’t specific people or a specific religion or specific genetics, it’s a diseased culture.
Though at this point, it needs to be up to Palestinians who gets to stay and who doesn’t.
I admit that if there is no completely just outcome, I would side with the oppressed.
Israelis can easily travel to Europe and the US. For example, in Germany, they can get citizenship if they can prove German descent. In other places they have advantaged programs for immigration compared to other non West countries. Choosing to stay is embracing Zionism. That’s the only peaceful solution, which obviously isn’t going to happen when 70-80% support the status quo and further expansionism.
The majority of the Jewish population of Isreal are decended from the Soviet Union and the Middle East. When Isreal was founded 10s of thousands of Jews lived in North Africa and other middle eastern countries. Nearly all of them moved to Israel, and those countries will not welcome their children and grandchildren back.
I think what they want to say is that the solution for a colonial apartheid state is to send the colonizers home where they came from.
Is that a genocide in your opinion?
Its obviously hyperbole. Completely carpet bombing the population isnt a step I would want to take. But if Israel disappeared overnight, I surely wouldnt miss it.
Also, lets not downplay the killing of thousands and thousands of innocents by Israel.
You could carpet bomb the settlements in the west bank for sure though.
The state, as an American ally, conducting genocide in the region needs to “dissapear.” The people, cannot dissapear.
most of these jews came from europe
Nope, most came from Russia and the Middle East.
Killing more innocents doesn’t solve the problem, AND is the same as your chief complaint.
Don’t do that.
Again, stop downplaying the murder of countless innocent lives.
I’m saying “Don’t kill more people”
this is why reading comprehension is important folks 🤣
Nobody disagrees with protecting innocent lives, well except Israel and the US. What you are doing is deflecting from the genocide and protecting the attackers. Otherwise you wouldnt reiterate on a point already covered.
Hi I’m sorry but that’s not correct
^ this is wrong because you are arguing against me when I said no more innocents should be killed.
Not only are you wrong, but the reverse of what you’re saying is true. That means you’re either a liar or stupid. Pick one or we’ll pick for you.
Nope, you either failed to read my comment or understand it. Or you are being purposely malicious. We will go with the second option, given your relentless ignorance.
You’ve accused me at least twice now of doing exactly what you were doing. Please refer to my other comment and we’ll try to get some clarification.
So to not downplay an atrocity the stance is to kill every last one of them, women and children all?
That’s a weird and extreme take you have.
Why do you say his take is weird? You’re the one arguing against those of us saying that no more innocent people should be killed. If you think it’s weird and extreme, then fix it yourself. You’re the one expressing it, not us.
doesnt seem like alot, if a majority is openly supporting it, plus they have international jewish people and thier backers supporting the zionist regime. the time to get rid of benny was him getting sent to jailed and not get elected. more or less we hear very little from opposition of bibi since the oct 7 attack.
its a ridiculously tiny minority. And leaving Israel in that region means letting them continue their war crimes, and you know that. There is really no way around it. The only ethical solution is to eject them from the region entirely. The 8 year bloodbath needs to end.
We can’t be opposed to the Gazan genocide and at the same time use genocidal language like “ejecting them from the region.” Them being Jewish people. Yes Israel should be sanctioned, and militarily invaded. Benjamin Netenyahu should be assassinated, and the country needs to be rid of the Zionist ideology. But there is simply no way to mass migrate a large population without great pain and suffering.
Plus, if the Israeli people, the citizens not the elitist leaders and soldiers, were moved from their country, where would they go? To cause more violence in the regions they move to? The Israeli people have been subject to large scale mass international propaganda, they need to be deradicilized, not treated like parasites.
I agree with having a firm, radical opposition to genocide, but individually, morally it is not good to use words like “flatten” or “eject.” I understand the anger, I think we all feel it.
yes, we can
That you don’t says so much about you and your values, it is also a reflection of the live you’ve led. Israel has no right to exist and by the wills of the Palestinians it would be extinguished, I’m so sick of western liberals and armchair arbitrators trying to support their government funded colonial project.
If you still feel that Jews deserve their own space/country, carve out a giant hole on a map between Germany and Poland and move them back there, that’s where they came from and belong. Let’s see how long Europeans do a Holocaust 2.0
Leaving them in the region obviously leads to an even worse outcome. They murder every day and dont consider others to be humans with any rights at all.
And I flatly disagree that ejecting them is genocide. Equating the two is flatly untrue. If you need to define that as true then it must be true that the zionists genocided 750,000 people in the nakba, along with however many they just genocided in gaza, the west bank, syria, and Lebanon.