Since China is making most of the world’s solar panels at an alarming rate, if the majority of people do want to die to climate change then we might have to invade China to make them stop making solar panels.
I dont think we should but it obviously would do more to stop climate change than anything else. So if they want a revolution to stop climate change it would look like the world declaring war on China. Plus it’d probably get rid of the US and EU in the process. Thats almost all of the worlds emissions gone in 1 revolution.
I see you mentioning solar in a comment below. Its a single digit % of the energy consumption it does not outweigh the emissions.
Your plan to stop climate change is to kill billions in a war that would likely go nuclear, against the country doing by far the most to mitigate the effects of climate change and transition to green energy at scale in the world? The war itself would be catastrophic for the environment.
Not my plan I dont consider climate change the biggest threat at the moment. Also china hasnt done anything to mitigate the effects. That would be the EU
China has worked enormously to make clean energy more affordable, has dramatically overhauled its energy production (and is continuing to do so), and is fighting desertification atvrapid speeds. The EU on the other hand may be internally more green by ratio, but per capita consumes far more than China. This is because the EU relies on exploiting the global south for its consumption due to imperialism, the actual net impact of the EU is negative. The actual climate gains have largely come from China.
China has a high per captia co2 emissions than the EU by a significant margin. For all the “good” they’ve done in renewables they’ve done just as much damage expanding their non renewable power. Its sad that you fall for such obvious greenwashing I thought people of lemmy were more inteligent than that. The anti desertification is pretty much DOA since China is already struggling with water and the forest is artificial and monocultured. They’ve cut down forests to build factories, they zone factories to close to residential areas leading to cities with some of the lowest air quality in the world. They dont rotate crops and destory the soil nutrients, they dam up every river destroying downstream ecosystems, they pollute water systems that feel into their own villages. To act like they build solar panels out of a car for the environment is naive. They made the choice to ignore global efforts to reduce emissions should everyone be allowed to do that?
You’re looking at total emissions within the EU vs. total emissions within China compared to their respective populations. This is, frankly, a ridiculous way to look at emissions, considering neither country produces everything it consumes (though China is far closer). The EU has lower emissions per capita because it doesn’t produce much, and instead relies on imperialism and neocolonialism, importing much of what it consumes with little regard for environmental protections from the countries it consumes from. The actual net impact of a European is far higher than someone in China.
It’s odd that you accuse me of "greenwashing,* when you’re falling hook, line, and sinker for it. The EU pretends to be green by erasing the fact that it consumes far more per capita, with far worse of an environmental impact. It’s as simple as that. China’s expansion of non-renewables pales in comparison to its rising rates of green energy and electrification. China’s air quality is likewise rising rapidly. We do not live in 2004 any longer, yet your information comes straight from those eras.
It isn’t China that’s ignoring green initiatives, it’s the EU pretending like they care while still operating on imperialism and neocolonialism.
What are you getting at, here? That world war against China would stop climate change? Or am I misreading you?
Since China is making most of the world’s solar panels at an alarming rate, if the majority of people do want to die to climate change then we might have to invade China to make them stop making solar panels.
Agreed! Cheap solar from China and the closure of the strait of Hormuz is dramatically ramping up green energy production and decoupling from oil.
I dont think we should but it obviously would do more to stop climate change than anything else. So if they want a revolution to stop climate change it would look like the world declaring war on China. Plus it’d probably get rid of the US and EU in the process. Thats almost all of the worlds emissions gone in 1 revolution.
I see you mentioning solar in a comment below. Its a single digit % of the energy consumption it does not outweigh the emissions.
Your plan to stop climate change is to kill billions in a war that would likely go nuclear, against the country doing by far the most to mitigate the effects of climate change and transition to green energy at scale in the world? The war itself would be catastrophic for the environment.
Not my plan I dont consider climate change the biggest threat at the moment. Also china hasnt done anything to mitigate the effects. That would be the EU
China has worked enormously to make clean energy more affordable, has dramatically overhauled its energy production (and is continuing to do so), and is fighting desertification atvrapid speeds. The EU on the other hand may be internally more green by ratio, but per capita consumes far more than China. This is because the EU relies on exploiting the global south for its consumption due to imperialism, the actual net impact of the EU is negative. The actual climate gains have largely come from China.
China has a high per captia co2 emissions than the EU by a significant margin. For all the “good” they’ve done in renewables they’ve done just as much damage expanding their non renewable power. Its sad that you fall for such obvious greenwashing I thought people of lemmy were more inteligent than that. The anti desertification is pretty much DOA since China is already struggling with water and the forest is artificial and monocultured. They’ve cut down forests to build factories, they zone factories to close to residential areas leading to cities with some of the lowest air quality in the world. They dont rotate crops and destory the soil nutrients, they dam up every river destroying downstream ecosystems, they pollute water systems that feel into their own villages. To act like they build solar panels out of a car for the environment is naive. They made the choice to ignore global efforts to reduce emissions should everyone be allowed to do that?
You’re looking at total emissions within the EU vs. total emissions within China compared to their respective populations. This is, frankly, a ridiculous way to look at emissions, considering neither country produces everything it consumes (though China is far closer). The EU has lower emissions per capita because it doesn’t produce much, and instead relies on imperialism and neocolonialism, importing much of what it consumes with little regard for environmental protections from the countries it consumes from. The actual net impact of a European is far higher than someone in China.
It’s odd that you accuse me of "greenwashing,* when you’re falling hook, line, and sinker for it. The EU pretends to be green by erasing the fact that it consumes far more per capita, with far worse of an environmental impact. It’s as simple as that. China’s expansion of non-renewables pales in comparison to its rising rates of green energy and electrification. China’s air quality is likewise rising rapidly. We do not live in 2004 any longer, yet your information comes straight from those eras.
It isn’t China that’s ignoring green initiatives, it’s the EU pretending like they care while still operating on imperialism and neocolonialism.
No im looking at the per captia stat. Everything you said is cope