Yes, the Steam Deck is great, and Steam is definitely one of the best games platforms there is. And Valve has done great work supporting Linux and open source development, and forcing more transparency for sellers on Steam.
But I feel like people sometimes just love valve for everything they do. GabeN is still a billionaire, buying super-yachts and stuff. Valve makes a ton of their money from gambling on loot crates in CS2 and TF2, and have not done enough (imo) to stop even more predatory third party item gambling sites. And whenever I bring stuff like that up people keep defending Valve.
We should be able to praise their great games and hardware, at the same time as criticising other parts of the company.
Lol. It’s a private company. How could someone buy it? That’s not how this works.
Oh well yeah i didn’t even think of that. My bad.
I want to clarify my point on gambling too. It’s psychologically manipulative. This is for adults and children. Do you agree it’s morally wrong to manipulate people into making purchases? If so, you should be against their gambling. Pushing it on kids is just particularly immoral.
And yes, parents should be responsible for their children. I’m not asking for age tracking to restrict children. I’m asking for them to not be pushers, trying to get children addicted to gambling. That’s on them, not the parent. The parent should stop it, but we all know that isn’t always going to happen, and taking advantage of this deficiency is immoral. They specifically create things that are aiming to get children into their casino. Two people can be at fault for this situation. The parents and Valve are to blame.
As an example, if you made a Bluey themed casino and advertised it on Nickelodeon, or wherever kids watch things now, that’d obviously be fucked up, right? I hope we can all agree on that. If so, you don’t think it’s solely on the parents. We have a responsibility to call it out, wherever it’s happening, because raising the next generation of adults is the responsibility of all of society. Yes, primarily parents, but everyone. That’s why the “think of the children” garbage is so effective. Basically everyone agrees with this, so it’s easy to abuse.
This isn’t saying the age verification is good, just because it uses that argument. It isn’t honest about the intent. That’s an excuse. That doesn’t mean there’s no marit the the argument itself though. It’s just being abused to do evil things, as evil often does.
I agree on most of what you say. But i dont own a pc, nor do i actually deal with steam at all. Im more of a devils advocate kind of asshole. And i have no idea how a platform that hosts others games is pushing gambling onto kids. If its by allowing microtransactions like everywhere else then you should also be mad at phone companies. My sister racked up over 2k worth because she would apply purchases to the phone bill instead. And its not like we were notified, that seems shittier then what i can imagine steam is doing. But i admit i dont know these gambling claims you refer too.
They sell loot boxes in CS and TF. They also haven’t done much to fight third party gambling sites, which promote on Valve hosted esports events.
Yeah… And? Why would you think I’m not? Who cares? This isn’t about them. I’m mad about a lot of stuff that’s happening. I don’t have to mention it in every conversation. Again, someone else doing something bad doesn’t justify any other actions.
Yeah im not mad about those the same way you are. A child still has to get card info in order to purchase them, where as the point of bringing up phone companies was that it allowed kids to make purchases through the phone bill with no supervision what so ever. Im actually a bit disappointed that all you have to complain about are some loot boxes and other severvices which buy ad space from valve.
The third party sites, which use Steam, don’t need a card. You gamble with skins, so the kid can ask the parent for skins, and then gamble with those without the parent knowing. Also, the Steam wallet can be used to purchase stuff too.
In early complained about anti-competitive practices too earlier. That’s what this one particular thing was about though, and it’s far from just ads. They use Steam services to host gambling, and Valve let’s them use their space to advertise. It’s far worse than you’re implying. I don’t know if you’re purposefully being obtuse or not.
Edit: I’m done with this. You refuse to change your mind, defending them no matter what (just because others are worse). This is made worse because you aren’t even involved and don’t know what you’re talking about. You aren’t even aware of the gambling controversy, which has been around for more than a decade. You aren’t engaging in good faith. You’re just arguing, and others have to inform you on every aspect, because you literally aren’t even aware of the basics. Why are you even engaging? You haven’t cared enough to engage and be informed, so stop wasting everyone’s time.
Okay well it was all in good faith. Your argument just couldnt sway me because it still sounds like its the parents fault for what they are buying for their kids. You come across as someone who wants guardrails across the internet to stop the big bad Gabe from getting kids into gambling. Which again to bring up another bad point, but kids can buy lottery scratch offs at walmart without id then go turn them in if its less then 500 or something without having to be 18. Then repeat that process. But loot boxes and whatever the fuck skins are which require their parents consent is where you really raise a fuss? Thats on the parents for failing to understand what the money is going to. Plus i dont even see this as a major issue with all the other shit thats an issue.
So yeah if your done then, then have a nice day, bye
It’s not really in good faith if you don’t care and you don’t want to try to be informed. You are seemingly unaware of the basic things at issue, but you’re sealioning to protect Valve. If you looked into things yourself, because you cared, fine. You don’t care, so pretending you do is arguing in bad faith. I shouldn’t need to inform you on everything Valve has done in the past 20+ years.