• Hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    1 day ago

    I agree with the judge’s decision. He was driving at a reasonable speed. He made a single error of missing the signal. That is far below the threshold of gross negligence needed for a conviction.

    However, the court was asking the wrong question. Safety is systemic. Those involved with this death are those who design the roads, those who design the cars, those who make the laws, those who train and license drivers, who all have some responsibility. No justice can come from trying to pin it all on a single individual.

    They have built a transportation system in which a single human error results in fatalities. That is the real crime.

    Deaths like this are common and entirely preventable. Justice is when we redesign transportation so no one dies in similar situations ever again.

    • vathecka@lemmy.radio
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      22 hours ago

      You cannot design a road that is safe for someone who runs a light that has been red for 20 seconds

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          11 hours ago

          If we move to a broader perspective than just lights, there is nothing that physically forces the man to follow whatever traffic contraption we throw at him

          • Hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            5 hours ago

            Traffic lights encourage drivers to move quickly, and ignore their surroundings. They tell drivers to trust the intersection to be clear if the signal is green. This means that if a prudent and cautious driver makes the single mistake of misreading the light, it risks a high speed colission.

            A 4-way stop would have slowed traffic, likely preventing fatalities in this case. Even if the driver missed the stop sign, the cross traffic would be slow enough to not push the SUV into the corner of the intersection. At the same time there wouldn’t be pedestrians in the corner, because 4-way stops allow pedestrians to cross quickly, and doesn’t require them to wait directly next to intersections.

            This is an urban road. It was a choice to prioritize traffic speed and car throughput over pedestrian safety. This is the inevitable result.

    • The Stoned Hacker@lemmy.world
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      13 hours ago

      he wasn’t paying attention for twenty seconds. if it was yellow and he sped through it while it turned maybe that argument could hold some weight, but not paying attention to the road is gross negligence while operating heavy machinery.

        • The Stoned Hacker@lemmy.world
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          11 hours ago

          yes there are systemic failing and corruption that needs to be addressed, and to go further the punitive system of justice is ineffective and should be replaced with more community oriented rehabilitative solutions.

          that does not change the fact that gross negligence occurred and cost a father his child. even in a different framework with different transportation, such blatant and offensive negligence would still require the perpetrator to take accountability and face consequences for their actions that have resulted in a dead child. under the current system with the current legislative and transpotation frameworks this person recklessly endangered people to the most serious degree and is being let off scott free

          • Hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            5 hours ago

            The intersection requires pedestrians to wait, unprotected, in a dangerous location directly at the corner. The designer of the intersection recklessly endangered people to the most serious degree and is being let off scott free.

            The vehicle that did the killing was an SUV. SUVs are large and heavy, with high blunt front ends. These are incredibly dangerous in a colission, far more likely to cause fatalities than modern passenger cars with a low nose that scoop under pedestrians in a colission. The car’s designer, manufacturer, and vehicle regulator who allowed this dangerous design onto the streets recklessly endangered people to the most serious degree and are being let off scott free.

            This court isn’t even able to try most of those responsible.