• Rivalarrival@lemmy.today
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    1. “Common Core” != “Grading Rubric”. Common Core is not the entity judging the work. That evaluation is conducted by the teacher and to the teacher’s own standards. Training on Common Core and other methodologies may influence those standards, but it is still the teacher who is determining their application.

    2. From your link:

    CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.11-12.1.c Use words, phrases, and clauses as well as varied syntax to link the major sections of the text, create cohesion, and clarify the relationships between claim(s) and reasons, between reasons and evidence, and between claim(s) and counterclaims.

    CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.11-12.1.d Establish and maintain a formal style and objective tone while attending to the norms and conventions of the discipline in which they are writing.

    CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.11-12.2.e Establish and maintain a formal style and objective tone while attending to the norms and conventions of the discipline in which they are writing.

    CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.11-12.3.d Use precise words and phrases, telling details, and sensory language to convey a vivid picture of the experiences, events, setting, and/or characters.

    All of these are criteria that justify attacking a paper on the basis of spelling, punctuation, syntax, structure, form. While the specific words “spelling” and “punctuation” are absent, their meaning is present.

    1. Also from your own link:

    CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.11-12.6 Use technology, including the Internet, to produce, publish, and update individual or shared writing products in response to ongoing feedback, including new arguments or information.

    LLMs are a “technology”, are they not? Does Common Core not promote the use of technological aid “to produce … writing products”?

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      CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.11-12.1.c Use words, phrases, and clauses as well as varied syntax to link the major sections of the text, create cohesion, and clarify the relationships between claim(s) and reasons, between reasons and evidence, and between claim(s) and counterclaims.

      You can have perfect spelling, punctuation, syntax, structure, and form and not have cohesion or clear relationships between claims and reason, reasons and evidence and claims and counterclaims.

      CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.11-12.2.e Establish and maintain a formal style and objective tone while attending to the norms and conventions of the discipline in which they are writing.

      You can have perfect spelling, punctuation, syntax, structure, and form and not have a formal style or objective tone.

      CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.11-12.3.d Use precise words and phrases, telling details, and sensory language to convey a vivid picture of the experiences, events, setting, and/or characters

      You can have perfect spelling, punctuation, syntax, structure, and form and not use precise phrases, telling details or sensory language to convey a vivid picture of the experience events, setting, and/or characters

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        Exactly.

        LLMs give you exactly that. The student you describe should fail.

        However, the reverse scenario is also possible. You can have perfect function, but fail entirely due to form: spelling, punctuation, etc. This student has demonstrated mastery of argument construction, reasoning. This student should succeed, but will also fail to meet the common core standards.