• Nalivai@lemmy.world
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        7 days ago

        Whether you want to admit it or not, Biden was actually the best candidate strategically, which was proven right. It says more about the US people that we all want to believe.

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          6 days ago

          If it wasn’t for Covid, Biden wouldn’t have stood a chance. Then Biden completely fucked over 2024. He was not the best candidate.

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            6 days ago

            I can do speculations too, if his health wouldn’t suddenly deteriorate, he would crush in 2024, but since he wasn’t an actual final candidate, we couldn’t tell, just as we can’t tell what would outcome of the previous be if not for covid.
            In the end his win record was 1/1 which is kind of what you want from a candidate.

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              5 days ago

              Except we can tell. He was the only candidate that polled even worse than Kamala. And you’re delusional if you think his health decline was sudden.

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                5 days ago

                You can always tell looking backwards, yes. The power of hindsight is infinite.
                And yes, his health decline was sudden. He went from a normal old fart (an ideal American preferred by most) to an old fart with severe terminal illness in a span of weeks, not even months.
                Listen, you can convince yourself to whatever, you can believe in whatever, but if you look at voting patterns, you can count on the fingers of one hand the times when broad American public chose someone who isn’t an old white conservatively leaning man, given the choice. You might not like it, I certainly don’t, but you need to come to terms with what your country is made of, if you want to stop being perpetually surprised why aren’t you achieving anything.

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                  4 days ago

                  Hindsight? I’m referring to polls that were widely available at the time.

                  His health decline was not sudden if you were paying attention. His aides were even trying to hide it.

                  And now you’re trying to move the goalposts. We’re not talking about all candidates, or voting trends, we’re talking about how Biden was an obviously bad candidate. You can avoid the topic and keep your head in the sand, it ultimately doesn’t matter anymore. What does matter is that we learn from that mistake moving forward. Have real primaries where the DNC doesn’t put their thumb on the scale and instead lets three voters choose who they want to vote for. It’s a very simple idea.

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          7 days ago

          Lol, no he wasn’t. A soggy potato could have won that election, but the DNC insisted on choosing a candidate who would do such a bad job on power that Trump might as well have won. To the point that a lot of liberals have forgotten that the Biden administration even happened

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            6 days ago

            Well yeah, you have a theory, and whatever supports it is true because duh, and whatever contradicts it actually supports it because your opponents are all idiots.
            It’s a nice way to feel good about yourself, but terrible way to ground yourself in reality.

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                6 days ago

                NO U is an amazing rebuttal. Incredibly effective at stopping you from considering that other people exist and can say something worth thinking about.