> setting has bikes and trains
> still using cars as main form of transportation
Cars are much more advanced tech than bikes. Hell we have partly self driving electric cars now. That’s some sci-fi shit
That’s why I can’t understand how some bikes can cost as much as a small used car.
And some watches cost far more than both.
Price isn’t always perfectly aligned with complexity or utility 🤷♀️
Yeah, some watches, but you can buy perfectly competent watches for very low prices.
You can’t buy a perfectly competent electric bike for a low price, at least not where I am.
Hold on, let me just load up the family onto my bicycle and ride the 15 miles to the grocery store.
Can this argument just disappear from discourse? People don’t always drive around with their partner, dog and 2.5 kids AND groceries AND spare tires AND grandparents.
The majority of people in car-centric areas use their car only to haul around themselves, which could be done with public transport or bikes.
That, and the nearest grocery store being 15 miles (25 km) away is highly unusual even by US standards. In the US alone, over 80% of people live in what the Census Bureau calls a city, defined as “encompass[ing] at least 2,000 housing units or hav[ing] a population of at least 5,000 people.” The fact that someone chooses to live in bumfuck nowhere shouldn’t mean that the other people who live in a town with population > 5 shouldn’t get to have safe, affordable, well-kept walking/micromobility/public transit infrastructure.
People don’t suddenly stop driving cars when not-cars becomes the predominant form of transportation. Like I said, “main form of transportation”. That cars are by far the main form is the problem because, among other huge problems, it induces reliance on cars and creates expensive, unmaintainable sprawl that makes other forms of transit completely impractical. Hell, even bumfuck nowhere towns used to have passenger rail that came through them before the tracks were ripped out. I think people who worry that good not-car infrastructure will destroy their ability to drive are projecting, because in reality, it’s always been car infrastructure that eats up everything else around it, not vice-versa.
“What do you mean ‘boats shouldn’t be the primary form of transportation’? Did you ever consider that I chose to live on an island off the coast of Michigan??”
Some people are completely unable to understand that not everybody lives in a city with everything on their doorstep, some people have children, and some people need to be able to transport more than a few small items at a time.
Trains and bikes are much more inconvenient. Though bikes are good for close proximity.
There are bikes that have motors, it helps reach further away locations.
Those same vehicles also have a 4-wheel model that’s pretty nice.
Do those motors keep the rain and snow off you?
And look at all these single non-parents trying to tell everyone they should only use a bike…
Don’t forget that most of them live in dense urban areas as well, and to say they “look down” on those who don’t would be an absurd understatement.
Like, I moved to a place that is aiming to be an entirely walkable town, but it’s not there yet. The pandemic put a lot of the development on hold and things are finally getting back up to speed now. My closest grocery store was going to be two blocks away, but that was scrapped. There’s one being built that will be 3 miles away, so bike-able when it’s finally fucking opened. Currently, the closest one(s) are ~10 miles away. I work a job that is entirely possible to do remotely, but the execs have forced us all back into the office, ~20 miles away. I drive a hybrid because I can’t afford a full EV right now. My home’s power is nuclear and solar.
Some of the chucklefucks in these comment sections act like I’m personally clear cutting the rainforests because I dare to say that I require a car in my current life situation. Motherfuckers, I’m doing all I personally can. So go sabotage some private jets, or locally campaign for more bike lanes and public transit solutions, and get off my balls.
they “look down” on those who don’t would be an absurd understatement.
These discussions are never about rural areas. No one is going to a rural town and installing bike lanes. No one is suggesting 20 miles of bike lanes go in where you live. It’s always about putting in bike lanes and transit where it makes sense
Some of the chucklefucks in these comment sections act like I’m personally clear cutting the rainforests because I dare to say that I require a car in my current life situation
People are chastising you for arguing people in cities that could easily bike need to drive a car. That’s what you’re doing. People say we should have bikes and transit in cities and you come out arguing against it
Keep driving your car. No one is taking it away from you, no matter where you live. We just want the option to bike or take transit in our communities. We don’t currently have that option because suburban and rural people constantly fight urban transit tooth and nail
These discussions are never about rural areas. No one is going to a rural town and installing[…]
That’s… not what I’m talking about at all in regards to people talking down about people who live outside of urban centers. There are people out here actively calling people maga chuds based entirely on the environment they live in.
People are chastising you for arguing people in cities that could easily bike need to drive a car. That’s what you’re doing.
Oh fuck off, I’ve done no such thing.
You’re only feeding my point and getting all bent up about shit I didn’t say. Thank you for at least explicitly stating the strawman you’ve imagined me to be.
suburban and rural people constantly fight urban transit tooth and nail
Citation fucking needed. How would someone outside one of the cities in question have any influence on those decisions, and more importantly, why in the fuck would they even care?
I personally have the displeasure of knowing plenty of god awful nimbys, and they’re all upper class urbanites worried that their little nest egg(s) in the wealthy parts of my local city will lose value.
Checkmate!
Is this coach class?
