I get so tired of being told to go buy pants with pockets or buy men’s jeans, when that has nothing to do with the point. Women deserve pockets in our jeans. Period.
What you’re saying is not just that you deserve pockets in your jeans, but that you deserve them in the style that you want, as easily found as other pairs. Which doesn’t sound true to me. Who “deserves” a particular style?
The reason trousers are sold with small pockets is because big pockets look different, especially when full of stuff, especially on tighter-fitting clothing. Do you want to make it harder for people who want those trousers to find suitable ones? Why do your preferences for practicality outweigh theirs for aesthetics?
Thanks for taking the time to tell women what they should or should not desire in clothing options. I’m so glad we have you here to put us women in our place and tell us we don’t deserve pockets.
You can desire whatever you want, and I can desire whatever I want. The only difference (assuming you are agreeing with the person I replied to) is that I don’t go around telling people I deserve what I desire when it is hard to get. There are innumerable ways the world does not cater to my desires - some overlap with the ways it does not cater to yours, some do not.
If your basic human rights are not being met, I’ll come out for you, just as, I’m sure, you’d come out for me. But this is about fashion.
Like, you know it’s pretty easy to get longer skirts and dresses with pockets, right? If it were about pockets, you’d just wear the clothes with pockets.
So if I want pockets, my only choices are dresses or skirts. Because women are not allowed to have choices. Because women are not allowed to have functional pockets in jeans. Because women are not allowed to have functional pockets in non form fitting clothing.
Got it. Thank you, a man, for telling me, a woman, that I do not have other options and that I should just deal with it.
Buy jeans from one of the retailers listed in this thread
Buy jeans with unusable pockets and alter them
Buy “men’s” clothes
Carry a bag with you
You have choices. You are unhappy with the choices available, but are instead saying you have none.
If you complained “I am unhappy with these choices” instead of complaining, “I am not allowed to have choices” you would not get people replying about the other choices you do, in fact, have.
Buy a skirt I don’t want to and shouldn’t have to wear a skirt all the time for pockets
Buy a dress see above
Buy sweatpants see above
Buy jeans from one of the retailers listed in this thread pictures don’t mean they actually have proper pockets and I don’t buy pants online because I need to try them on to make sure they fit my hips
Buy jeans with unusable pockets and alter them this is something I have done, but should be unnecessary for pants that are not form fitting
Buy “men’s” clothes these don’t fit my hips and when I wear a belt, it bunches the waist and gets extremely uncomfortable
Carry a bag with you I do this, but I shouldn’t have to always carry a purse to have my ID on me
I just want damn pockets in my non form fitting clothes. Why is that such a sin for a woman to complain about?
If you don’t want the obvious replies, frame the complaint in a way that doesn’t invite them. The original post is someone talking about the “right to have deeper jeans pockets” which invites the point that women already have options for deep jeans pockets.
I’m not here telling you that all the choices you have are as good as the choice you wish you had.
Let people complain about annoyances, dude. It’s really fucking annoying to have someone bust in and loudly proclaim that others have it worse so we should shut up.
There’s a world of difference between a complaint that acknowledges the privilege of even being in a position to complain about fashion and one which mistakenly or dishonestly mischaracterises what is wrong as something more severe.
Imagine if I complained I was thirsty all the time because the local shop stopped stocking coke, and that I deserved to have something to drink. Wouldn’t you roll your eyes and tell me to drink water? Wouldn’t you react differently if I said I was bummed because the shop ran out of coke and I just wanted some? Being honest/aware of what the actual issue is makes all the difference.
lol man, I’m not talking about nice trousers, or dressy pants, or skin tight anything. I don’t want big pockets in my form fitting clothes. I don’t wear skin tight clothes all of the time. That picture are 2 pairs of non-tight bootcut jeans.
I’m talking about basic, everyday, denim jeans that have that tiny useless pocket. Even wide leg jeans have that tiny useless pocket. The pockets in these jeans can’t even fit my driver’s license or credit card in them without worrying they will fall out. I don’t want to fit everything that’s in my purse in those pockets. I want to fit my ID, credit card, a bit of cash, and my pocket knife. I want to be able to grab those few things and run into the grocery store or bookstore without always lugging my purse around. That’s it.
I’m a flare and bootcut jeans kind of gal. I want functional pockets in every day normal denim jeans. I want functional pockets in clothes that make sense.
I mean sure, you may mean you prefer looser jeans even than those pictured, but do you see how much tighter the woman’s are than the man’s? That’s the current fashion. Even if you actually wear looser ones, the fact that the fashion is for tighter jeans means you might not be wearing the size the designer envisaged, and in any case, the designer imagines that the majority of people buying those jeans also own tight clothing, hence a purse, hence there’s no point putting in a functional pocket.
Yes, it’s annoying when fashion doesn’t cater to you, but it’s still important to recognise that as what’s going on.
I’m so glad you used pictures of models that have been air brushed for fashion magazines to prove that women are wrong to complain about pockets.
Here’s a real pair of jeans on a real human being. Jeans that I recently purchased at a popular fashion store.
See those pockets? These aren’t even the ones I posted above, these pockets are twice as deep as those and I still barely fit all of my fingers. I cannot safely place my credit card and ID in those pockets without a big risk of losing them. That is why women are pissed about pockets.
You are right that they are loose-fitting enough on to have functional pockets, but I think there’s some more of my comment that still applies. How many women do you think are buying jeans that fit that loosely? A quick dredge through some photos (whether models or selfies) makes me pretty confident it’s a minority.
Your perspective seems to be that there is no reason not to make the pockets bigger, but there is, it’s just a reason that affects people other than you.
Your perspective seems to be that there is no reason not to make the pockets bigger, but there is, it’s just a reason that affects people other than you
No, my perspective is that the many non form fitting jeans that have space have no reason to have tiny useless pockets. Wide leg jeans have no reason to not have pockets. Any jeans that are not tight in the thighs have no good reason to not have bigger pockets.
Edit: as I’ve stated in another comment
So you’re a pedantic ass. Got it.
I’m going to play in my garden. You should go read a book, maybe start with the one I posted above.
So, I got it right, with the caveat that you’re not talking about all jeans?
But jeans that are not tight on your thighs may be tight on someone else’s. The bigger pockets on those jeans that benefit you will look worse on that person. Bigger pockets add a (small) cost - which is fine if it offers something of value. But to the many women who carry a bag by default, bigger pockets do not add value, only a cost, so you are also asking those to bear the cost.
So those are the two reasons.
Framing the complaint as, “I’m annoyed that jeans designed for women have useless pockets” leaves the space open for those reasons, those other people whose annoyance might also matter. The complaint in the original post, continued by you and others, would erase them.
You’re literally talking to a woman who has bought the same style of jeans and found different pockets sizes between them.
Clearly it’s possible to make women’s pants with deeper pockets. There’s many, many different styles of pants that women wear.
We’re simply talking about the annoyance that deeper pockets aren’t more available to women, the way that men’s pants with deep pockets are available to men.
You should work on having some introspection on why you feel the need to quiet women down when we’re having a conversation about something that directly affects us.
You are so out of touch that you can’t even use real women you see in your life as examples, you have to use selfies and models to represent the majority of women?!
What you’re saying is not just that you deserve pockets in your jeans, but that you deserve them in the style that you want, as easily found as other pairs. Which doesn’t sound true to me. Who “deserves” a particular style?
The reason trousers are sold with small pockets is because big pockets look different, especially when full of stuff, especially on tighter-fitting clothing. Do you want to make it harder for people who want those trousers to find suitable ones? Why do your preferences for practicality outweigh theirs for aesthetics?
Thanks for taking the time to tell women what they should or should not desire in clothing options. I’m so glad we have you here to put us women in our place and tell us we don’t deserve pockets.
You can desire whatever you want, and I can desire whatever I want. The only difference (assuming you are agreeing with the person I replied to) is that I don’t go around telling people I deserve what I desire when it is hard to get. There are innumerable ways the world does not cater to my desires - some overlap with the ways it does not cater to yours, some do not.
If your basic human rights are not being met, I’ll come out for you, just as, I’m sure, you’d come out for me. But this is about fashion.
Like, you know it’s pretty easy to get longer skirts and dresses with pockets, right? If it were about pockets, you’d just wear the clothes with pockets.
So if I want pockets, my only choices are dresses or skirts. Because women are not allowed to have choices. Because women are not allowed to have functional pockets in jeans. Because women are not allowed to have functional pockets in non form fitting clothing.
Got it. Thank you, a man, for telling me, a woman, that I do not have other options and that I should just deal with it.
I suggest you go read a book, try this one.
You have the choice to:
You have choices. You are unhappy with the choices available, but are instead saying you have none.
If you complained “I am unhappy with these choices” instead of complaining, “I am not allowed to have choices” you would not get people replying about the other choices you do, in fact, have.
No thank you.
I just want damn pockets in my non form fitting clothes. Why is that such a sin for a woman to complain about?
If you don’t want the obvious replies, frame the complaint in a way that doesn’t invite them. The original post is someone talking about the “right to have deeper jeans pockets” which invites the point that women already have options for deep jeans pockets.
I’m not here telling you that all the choices you have are as good as the choice you wish you had.
So you’re a pedantic ass. Got it.
I’m going to go play in my garden. You should go read a book, maybe start with the one I posted above.
Have a day.
Show me where any of us have said there are 0 options.
You should really read the comment section before you decide to grace us with your superior male knowledge.
You’ve never read sarcasm in your life before?
That user also details in further comments that they were being hyperbolic.
We’re quite literally saying that we’re unhappy with the options we have.
Let people complain about annoyances, dude. It’s really fucking annoying to have someone bust in and loudly proclaim that others have it worse so we should shut up.
There’s a world of difference between a complaint that acknowledges the privilege of even being in a position to complain about fashion and one which mistakenly or dishonestly mischaracterises what is wrong as something more severe.
Imagine if I complained I was thirsty all the time because the local shop stopped stocking coke, and that I deserved to have something to drink. Wouldn’t you roll your eyes and tell me to drink water? Wouldn’t you react differently if I said I was bummed because the shop ran out of coke and I just wanted some? Being honest/aware of what the actual issue is makes all the difference.
You really saw a problem that women were discussing and decided to put us all in our place.
I’m so glad we have a man here to explain this to us. Whatever would we have done without you??
I saw a problem being mischaracterised. I’m so sorry that I had the temerity to point out the choices available to you.
Continued to complain you “deserve pockets” that you absolutely can have.
Take your horrible inaccurate assumptions somewhere else. I won’t be reading any replies.
It’s clear you didn’t read any comments before adding your own, so not reading replies is exactly what I expect from you.
lol man, I’m not talking about nice trousers, or dressy pants, or skin tight anything. I don’t want big pockets in my form fitting clothes. I don’t wear skin tight clothes all of the time. That picture are 2 pairs of non-tight bootcut jeans.
I’m talking about basic, everyday, denim jeans that have that tiny useless pocket. Even wide leg jeans have that tiny useless pocket. The pockets in these jeans can’t even fit my driver’s license or credit card in them without worrying they will fall out. I don’t want to fit everything that’s in my purse in those pockets. I want to fit my ID, credit card, a bit of cash, and my pocket knife. I want to be able to grab those few things and run into the grocery store or bookstore without always lugging my purse around. That’s it.
I’m a flare and bootcut jeans kind of gal. I want functional pockets in every day normal denim jeans. I want functional pockets in clothes that make sense.
Bootcut men’s jeans:
Bootcut women’s jeans:
I mean sure, you may mean you prefer looser jeans even than those pictured, but do you see how much tighter the woman’s are than the man’s? That’s the current fashion. Even if you actually wear looser ones, the fact that the fashion is for tighter jeans means you might not be wearing the size the designer envisaged, and in any case, the designer imagines that the majority of people buying those jeans also own tight clothing, hence a purse, hence there’s no point putting in a functional pocket.
Yes, it’s annoying when fashion doesn’t cater to you, but it’s still important to recognise that as what’s going on.
Why do you think we aren’t aware of the reasons why this is an issue?
I’m so glad you used pictures of models that have been air brushed for fashion magazines to prove that women are wrong to complain about pockets.
Here’s a real pair of jeans on a real human being. Jeans that I recently purchased at a popular fashion store.
See those pockets? These aren’t even the ones I posted above, these pockets are twice as deep as those and I still barely fit all of my fingers. I cannot safely place my credit card and ID in those pockets without a big risk of losing them. That is why women are pissed about pockets.
You are right that they are loose-fitting enough on to have functional pockets, but I think there’s some more of my comment that still applies. How many women do you think are buying jeans that fit that loosely? A quick dredge through some photos (whether models or selfies) makes me pretty confident it’s a minority.
Your perspective seems to be that there is no reason not to make the pockets bigger, but there is, it’s just a reason that affects people other than you.
No, my perspective is that the many non form fitting jeans that have space have no reason to have tiny useless pockets. Wide leg jeans have no reason to not have pockets. Any jeans that are not tight in the thighs have no good reason to not have bigger pockets.
Edit: as I’ve stated in another comment
So you’re a pedantic ass. Got it.
I’m going to play in my garden. You should go read a book, maybe start with the one I posted above.
Have a day
So, I got it right, with the caveat that you’re not talking about all jeans?
But jeans that are not tight on your thighs may be tight on someone else’s. The bigger pockets on those jeans that benefit you will look worse on that person. Bigger pockets add a (small) cost - which is fine if it offers something of value. But to the many women who carry a bag by default, bigger pockets do not add value, only a cost, so you are also asking those to bear the cost.
So those are the two reasons.
Framing the complaint as, “I’m annoyed that jeans designed for women have useless pockets” leaves the space open for those reasons, those other people whose annoyance might also matter. The complaint in the original post, continued by you and others, would erase them.
You’re literally talking to a woman who has bought the same style of jeans and found different pockets sizes between them.
Clearly it’s possible to make women’s pants with deeper pockets. There’s many, many different styles of pants that women wear.
We’re simply talking about the annoyance that deeper pockets aren’t more available to women, the way that men’s pants with deep pockets are available to men.
You should work on having some introspection on why you feel the need to quiet women down when we’re having a conversation about something that directly affects us.
You are so out of touch that you can’t even use real women you see in your life as examples, you have to use selfies and models to represent the majority of women?!