Thank a lot for sharing it :3

This has been an extremely obvious flaw in the modlog concept from the very start, and has been discussed on and off for years. IMO, it exposes a much wider issue with federated forums as currently implemented, despite the aggressive defense of some vague concept of “openness.”

I agree with your point but would nuance it. Some part are flawed but we also saw the good side of the modlog openess, let’s not forget thay.

Otherwise the community yptb wouldn’t exist, we wouldn’t able to juge our action, user wouldn’t be able to choose their own instance and that’s terrible.

We already have lot power : seeing vote, ban, delete…and for me, the modlog counter-balance our tools. So i hope we can find something in the middle ground. :)

On mod tools, i think we need to developp other tool than than ban and delete, they are very aggresive. I hope we will see new tools that will change the way we take action.

I didn’t know until until dbzer0 or unruffled told us about it.

However dunno if its ideas on property are still revalants today. For example i enjoyed a lot songs from Léo Ferré but a woman told me he was mysognist…and i was unterly baffled by his comment…but its song were powerful. Maybe there is good part ? Or everything is terrible ?

There are lot books to read, and it pile up. For now i focusing on book that study fascism. It. Maybe i should try audio book but that’s harder because i’m deaf. I’m kinda jealous of hearing people, they are lucky. TT.TT

You are not a bad citizen. Just follows yours fellings and needs. But also check how many admin take care of the server and the way they moderate and you will be good :)

I was one of the first to suggest this very idea that unruffled talk about. It was in threadiverse defence chat the 23 April :

Then, later i developped the idea on Piefed zulip chat.

i also agree with unruffled about this part :

But “some control over modlog visibility” is inevitably going to be abused to protect problematic mods and admins.

That was my experience from Reddit

And last point, i’m an anarchist. I don’t read Proudhon as Libb do but i worked in self-managed collective IRL several years ago. And learned lot things, suggested ideas, voted. I was part of the core organization with seven people. So i’m not sure where we are going.

We may disagree, but both side are right. And i wouldn’t minimize the impact of having your real name exposed on internet. Some activists may face trouble with the police, harrassement…

Yes, i will lock your post like the other posts. If you read the other posts i explain why, i can’t handle a heated debate. I need to protect myself. And here is part of my answer to your earlier question when we were playing cat & mouse :

Me: […] I also manage several communities beside this one and i’m doing it during my free time. So…

You: Yes the game of sharing info, which I now see is not allowed here.

Me: Why those three posts are here ? And the comments from mia ? dbzer0 ? Everyone exposed their point of view

So, thank for your comment. Let’s call a day.

I don’t see that way. It was very difficult for admins to remove doxxing info from the modlog.

@unruffled@anarchist.nexus wanted to remove doxxing info from an user.

Our admins, together, did their best to remove the doxing info from the modlog because it federate accross the fediverse.

Given how serious the issue was, most admins expressed the idea to have an option to remove it from the modlog.

So, it wasn’t only Rimu idea. Rimu is also a dev, so he decided to tackle on this issue.

The last one were Rimu was banned for zionism in a community. A false statement, He was so furious about this misinformation. Although admins from the FAF reverted the ban, the mod & modlog remained.

But, right now, what worry me the most isn’t thing as “rule 2” “zionism” “rude” “bot”…but a bot that spam content throught mod action.

Yes, defederating would partially solve it, but the spam would remain…

So how i see, yes the update was the direct result of this conflict between those two instances. But this conflict wasn’t the only reason, it also revealed some issues from the modlog.

Until now we used yptb, it was used to reveal mods & admins bad behaviour, Rimu benefited from it. However, we were lucky someone hasn’t exploited the modlog yet.

For me, it would be a mistake to ignore it. And yes, hidding modlog from most people also raise issue for me because that’s the keypart in self-managed organization and that a key part in limiting our power.

So i don’t know what would be the best solution. I purposed to piefed dev a “right to answer” in the modlog few week ago in our zulip chat and maybe matrix.

However, you don’t explain why. The extract you shared was the last part of Rimu’s comment :

But this is really a symptom of the modlog having massive fundamental design issues. For example the other day someone’s full name was in there and there was no way to remove it, across all instances, without some weird non-obvious workarounds.

This person asked us, admins to remove it. Imagine that was your full name and address. We delete it and it appears in the modlog.

We can face legal issues if we aren’t able to delete person real name.

It’s public, distributed across hundreds of servers, anyone can create a community and write to it, and it’s write-only. This has obvious abuse potential.

Yes it was related to the ban for zionism. However that’s just the tip of the iceberg…imagine a new spam bot, how will you handle it if it write in the modlog ?

I enjoy the modlog transparency. My mod action is transparent, everyone can see what we do. However there is some downside. Admins struggled to remove that person real name, that wasn’t an easy task.

So there is pro and cons about the modlog. Until now, it served its purpose and allowed users to defend themselve against mod & admin abuse. However we shouldn’t ignore the point above.

As for myself, i don’t know what is the correct answer.

• Create an option to remove your mod’s action from the modlog ? So when you delete comments with your full name, it won’t appear in the modlog ? Then anyone can hide their mod’s action from the modlog ?
• Hide the modlog and only showcase to thrusted people ?
• Create a “right to answer” ? A voting system ?

The solution isn’t simple. 😔

Edit: typo

Yeah price there seems more fair there. The problem is that most of 5g plan come with an package of 120go…

Probably and we don’t have the same income.

We have prepaid plan as 6€/month for a year than full price : 17€/month. I not a good budget manager so i avoid those plans. Futhermore, I already pay for an internet box.

I will try to decrease my expanse again 😎👌

Because it doesn’t fit my budget. Maybe offer changed overtime so i should check it again.

For now i paid 2€/month with a 4G booster for 20 Go, 5€. So 7€/month

Yeah, i would remove it and do a new one with another picture.

Maybe one of your landcape but don’t forget to remove metadata and address for privacy. We can locate you with your phone data and details.

Or a picture from a movie, music and then you add the text :)

No. And i’m on 4g and i don’t need 5g, 5g is very expensive. :)

As for this question, i think it fit better technology community :)

Should i post there ? How i know ? Browse and read the title, the topic, the sidebar.

Also check https://piefed.social/communities to see the existing communities and find the one that match your topic.

It will give you a general idea on what kind of content the community expect there. :)

Most of people here will reject AI because of :

• technofascism : AI are mostly used to give you occidentale view on the world. And they are managed by fascist billonaire.
• environmental issue : high energy & computer part consumption
• vibe coding : more prone to bug, breakage. In the hand of new coders it can help but severely alter their learning process
• alter learning process. Same as people copy-pasting, they do less effort to verify their source or read lenghthy text.

There is other communities more open to AI use as long you use a local one on your computer or opensource.

So they didn’t answer your post.

But you discovered and enjoy this experience :)

Here is the full explanation :)

https://piefed.social/post/2048738#comment_11279843

Theater Drama :)

I hate showcasing my emotions, being seen in public, i prefer staying hidden. But i wanted an activity to meet deaf people outside bar, drinks & alchools.

In the end, i enjoyed playing text, i imagine how i would play this one, what are the idea hidden behind the text…and meeting people where i can have a deeper relationship then meeting them in a bar. :)

Do you imply that that was his long term goal ? Intentional. No, he made a choice. I’m not well versed on technical side. So maybe it was a bad choice from him or an alright choice because he thoughts it would work better that way. So be it.

Altough, we disagree on political side, Devs reach each other. They create a software that need communication between each other. You have to work together.

For example for flair federation, they will adapt (either piefed will change its code or lemmy) For emojis reaction they will also adapt…Another example, i reached iceshrimp dev team and asked them for the support of Piefed. Then Nutomic reached me and asked too add Lemmy too. I sent them all the info from Nutomic to iceshrimp dev team.

Admins and mods also talk to each other for banning spam, transphobia, solving issue…They are not probably on good term, there were a huge conflict but somehow they are managing the fediverse defence.

So…

Yep that’s why i think we should expand it to users :)

I disagree. You can lock conversation on piefed instance.

That’s not a shadow lock. Lemmy doesn’t support this feature yet. The feature allow mod to lock part of the thread. I hope lemmy v1 will get it.

It’s very useful, because we don’t have to lock the whole thread but only part of the discussion. So other users can continue talking.

This tool can end heated debate rather continuing pointless discussion. I believe it should be expanded to users too and we desactivate the unlock feature with a warning message “it will lock the thread forever. You cannot come back, are you sure ?”

Lastly, there was no point in continuing discussion. The user found the discussion interesting but didn’t want to continue. And for him, reading book is important.